Game Theory: Are Theories KILLING Video Games?

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Daggz
Daggz 7 aylar önce
Honored to be included in this discussion matpat! Been watching you for like a decade now so it's insane to just casually show up in one of your videos like that, absolutely honored
Buttoned
Buttoned 25 gün önce
i think you spelt jumpkick wrong
MaksPlaysAlotOfPiggy ඞ
MaksPlaysAlotOfPiggy ඞ 2 aylar önce
@raven glitch out a bot :/
just something
just something 2 aylar önce
👀
Average T
Average T 2 aylar önce
the dog
Jason Grote
Jason Grote 3 aylar önce
@Jessica Johnston ugh, I know
Just Some Guy without a Mustache
Just Some Guy without a Mustache 7 aylar önce
I can imagine actual game developers out there watching MatPat, just hoping he doesn’t cover the project they’re working on, so the entire lore and backstory isn’t revealed to the public, just because MatPat saw a 15 second advertisement of it.
armageddongirl612
armageddongirl612 2 aylar önce
@St33lStrife he has no life other than commenting on every video in existence
St33lStrife
St33lStrife 2 aylar önce
How are you everywhere
armageddongirl612
armageddongirl612 4 aylar önce
@Bulbasaurus-Rex you're*
Bulbasaurus-Rex
Bulbasaurus-Rex 4 aylar önce
@armageddongirl612 your using the word obnoxious wrong dude
Bulbasaurus-Rex
Bulbasaurus-Rex 4 aylar önce
@armageddongirl612 whats wrong with commenting everywhere? atleast he isnt some bot, plus its pretty cool
adam marano
adam marano 3 aylar önce
"If you design a story where the butler did it, and somebody guesses it. You can't just change it to be the maid. It won't make sense and it isn't worth "subverting expectations" if it ruins the story ultimately." Some paraphrased author, probably.
ThatKangaJackie
ThatKangaJackie 16 gün önce
Yeah, just the author of Game of Thrones, no biggie
Knightmare2018
Knightmare2018 3 aylar önce
I never would have thought that game devs wouldn't want theorists to guess about their secrets and try to change the story.
Isaiah DeLosSantos
Isaiah DeLosSantos 4 aylar önce
18:05 I needed this reassurance, thank you guys so much! (This also applies to movies, tv shows and books)
Cath Lovesey
Cath Lovesey 2 gün önce
I would never call for reverse sycocagy!
Anime King
Anime King 7 aylar önce
Fun Fact: Matpat was only able to predict the plots because the developers had put clues in the game that led to it
Haley Murphy
Haley Murphy 19 gün önce
Yeah it's their fault so they should've put them the same anyways
who asked
who asked 5 aylar önce
Duh.. but that’s not always the case. Like in his FNAF theories, he gets evidence fork the books and such, not just the game itself
Crunchypotatoman
Crunchypotatoman 5 aylar önce
@Eye finally, THE WORST BOT IT BACK
Paint
Paint 5 aylar önce
​@Slatt 🤓
In defense of demonsex
In defense of demonsex 7 aylar önce
You basically explained how a theory works
Earl Mimine
Earl Mimine 4 aylar önce
I must say that I agree with Matt with what he said at the end of the video. If a developer have a certain vision about their game, it's alright to keep it the way they want it to be. If they want to add something that comes from the community and it fits the game and story (if there's one), they can do that too. I think it's all about the balance between these two things. It's different for every developper and it's up to them to find where they want this balance to be. But at the end, as long as the game is well made and the players have fun, who cares about the rest 😉
Satoshi Amano
Satoshi Amano 20 saatler önce
i played a game called "seikishi rikka no monogatari" and i hate the jumpkick from that game. it's just better with sword.
viper venue
viper venue 4 aylar önce
I think a game that does this perfectly is cod zombies, the lore is not the main treat the gameplay is and you can still research and learn the lore without it getting shoved in your face or taking away from the game.
ricepuppet
ricepuppet 2 aylar önce
Loved that he showed D&D when he said “subverting expectations.”
HoweverMayor
HoweverMayor 7 aylar önce
I'd rather have a great predicted story than a "twist" ending that's nonsensical and forced.
red guy
red guy 3 aylar önce
Cough cough fnaf
Not Applicable
Not Applicable 3 aylar önce
@critical blaster Bendy and the ink machine
IndoDINO Youtube
IndoDINO Youtube 5 aylar önce
Agreed
Ernie Kennedy
Ernie Kennedy 5 aylar önce
The feeling when you were right
Victoria Spears
Victoria Spears 6 aylar önce
Seems like it’d be obvious preference to devs or anyone thinking this hard Ab a plot they’re writing lol like ppl like to be right or ‘in on it’
Pl4tinum
Pl4tinum 2 aylar önce
I know it's old but I'm still really happy that he brought back the theme song for this video, even if it wasn't my comment that caused it. Matpat is one of my favorite TRshowrs and probably the first TRshowr I ever watched and subscribed to.
Dakota Johnston
Dakota Johnston 2 aylar önce
Watching this video makes me want to see FNAF Security Breach as it would have been released before all of the delays. But also I wouldn’t want a world without all of the pre-SB Game Theories. The GT ten year anniversary FNAF video is one of my favorites. Its interesting too think about this kind of stuff.
The Introverted Pillow
The Introverted Pillow 3 aylar önce
Developers could do what the team that worked on gravity falls and posted an image of Mcgucket righting the journal when someone on reddit theorized that Stan Pines had a twin brother and that he was the author
GeneralRedStone Gamer
GeneralRedStone Gamer 3 aylar önce
I personally think that theorists impact games. I've always wanted to make a game, and I always wanted to add lore specifically because i could get a fan group kinda like undertale has it.
homerunproduction
homerunproduction 7 aylar önce
I think another thing to note is that When MatPat is correct, that doesn't mean your game is predictable, it means (like he said) your story is logical.
McBedo
McBedo 2 aylar önce
@[• Mr. Holodoc •] I dont see what's wrong with theories being proved correct at the end of the game? This is such a nonsensical point to make. Why don't you shut your brain off when you read a book or watch a movie, because oh no you will spoil it for yourself by being correct! Sheesh man. ​About the "dumb theory" argument, this is the one problem I see with both Matpat fans and Matpat haters, they think his words are the goddamn bible, when he mentions at the end of every video *ITS JUST A THEORY.* Who cares if its dumb or true? Every video alludes to a _possibility,_ not a fact check. He even mentioned before in the past he occasionally likes to make dumb and silly theories just for the heck of it. Just cause its a theory doesn't mean it has to allude to a canon or always be serious. Its ridiculously entertaining if you manage to tin-foil hat match up a bunch of nonsensical, seemingly unrelated, silly things into a cohesive believable plot, which is the point of those silly theories. Just harmless fun.​
The Potato Sapien
The Potato Sapien 4 aylar önce
Sometimes it can feel really nice to go “yes! I knew it!” when a plot twist is revealed, especially if it’s really well done. In some cases, where the story is changed, it can end up unsatisfying.
ShadowRosé ツ🇩🇴
ShadowRosé ツ🇩🇴 5 aylar önce
@wick Do I have to tell you guys twice?
loveliiikuromi
loveliiikuromi 6 aylar önce
Jumpkick
✧Maria✧
✧Maria✧ 7 aylar önce
@phillip mjkl ¯\_(ツ)_/¯ᵐᵃʸᵇᵉ
Luke Huizenga
Luke Huizenga 2 aylar önce
Inversely, there's Merge Mansion, where the hype and lore are the only things that matter because the actual gameplay never existed.
Alex Sawdon
Alex Sawdon 4 aylar önce
New to the whole series channel, but have been binging it for a week straight now. LOL
Lu1435
Lu1435 21 gün önce
If anyone is wondering on what the game at the beginning might be : On gtlive's latest video about fuhnaff's theory, matpat says steel wool wrote to him after he analyzed the first trailers of the game, asking if he had a contact in the company. So I guess it's actually fnaf sb
Jefebezos
Jefebezos 3 aylar önce
Is it just me or is mat describing co-dependency between content creators and game devs
Master of all Cephalopods: Comrade Zulaski Kaitzo
Master of all Cephalopods: Comrade Zulaski Kaitzo 7 aylar önce
When theorists are able to guess it right, it's a medal of honour for the developers. It means that their plot makes sense and isn't absolute bullsquid.
R.U.E. Music Productions
R.U.E. Music Productions 7 aylar önce
"bullsquid" haha! im gonne use that in the future now
The Ahmed Show
The Ahmed Show 7 aylar önce
Fnaf sweats here
Iron Wraith
Iron Wraith 7 aylar önce
Ah yes, my favorite fish. The Bull Squid.
Pkmn Trainer Red
Pkmn Trainer Red 7 aylar önce
@TheNewTryMyName I thought it was Freddy who caused bite of 87 FNAF lore is so confusing dangit
MECHA!
MECHA! 7 aylar önce
@Tester Wulf :3 who else could have done the bite? Mangle is the only animatronic with jaws capable of chomping down viciously, apart from w. Foxy and maybe w. Chica, but they certainly would not be out in the open
Lars Ziah Zawkian
Lars Ziah Zawkian 2 aylar önce
As a game dev i thank you for these kind words at the end.
Vrdork
Vrdork 2 aylar önce
Thank god I’m gonna start encouraging theories for my game it just makes the story better
McgintyFam
McgintyFam Aylar önce
You know its interesting when he makes a theory about his theories
Tristan Call
Tristan Call 3 aylar önce
I'm a massive wrestling fan, to the point that I follow the news and whatnot. It really is unbelievably satisfying when a theory or news of a return is true. When you figure out the spoiler it's the opposite of the "spoiler" feeling.
Merrsharr
Merrsharr 7 aylar önce
"I knew it" is way more rewarding than "I didn't see that coming", especially if that twist feels forced
Raspberry Malina
Raspberry Malina 7 aylar önce
I had to learn this the hard way while writing a story and uploading it chapter by chapter. A few commenters figured out the plot points early on, and in an attempt to subvert their expectations I completely changed the end of the story and brought back a character heavily implied to be dead. As a result, everyone in the story acted very out of character and the plot got convoluted quickly. In conclusion putting yourself out there online, you've gotta make sure to stick to the story that feels right for you, not just for your audience
It’s Treason Then
It’s Treason Then 7 aylar önce
Music man
earspon The roblox player
earspon The roblox player 7 aylar önce
Again it really depends because sometimes if a story becomes too predictable it will start to look like the developers are stealing ideas from the fans.
The intelligent Milk Jug
The intelligent Milk Jug 7 aylar önce
@wick I finally asked
Lord V KEF
Lord V KEF 7 aylar önce
trshow.info/watch/wdAtA0sm5ygh/video.htmlttps://trshow.info/watch/vzRFZ0GJhmk/video.html Just video
Andrew McMorrow
Andrew McMorrow 3 aylar önce
"With great ability comes great accountability" -Jefferson Davis
notevenhuman
notevenhuman 4 aylar önce
Security Breach feels more like a fan game for me. It felt so different from the other games and the storytelling felt kinda... lazy in comparison to the borderline-ARG we faced before from Scott. This isn't an insult to the guy, he's great, but Steel Wool needs to up their game (literally) if they're taking the series from Scott
Hannah's Movies & Music
Hannah's Movies & Music 3 aylar önce
Love the MatPat jumpscare lol 😂
KM Ladwig
KM Ladwig Aylar önce
The theories, if anything, give the creators something to build off of. It's kinda like the concept of LARP(Live Action Role Play), instead of saying "no, that's not how it works", you say "yes, and ..." and then continue the story. If anything, it can add to the meat and potatoes to the story and truly make it better than before.
Kale
Kale 7 aylar önce
To all the game developers out there, Matpat is right. Don’t worry about us finding out the lore of your games before you’re ready to release it all; it’s what makes the game fun. Finding out we were right about FNAF (in some cases) made it all the more exciting. It gives us something to talk about and reminisce over, it builds communities and friendships (from what I’ve seen, FNAF kids always migrate together). And at the end of the day, it’s nice find yourself correct about something.
Saida Abdille
Saida Abdille 2 aylar önce
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Thegamingbro
Thegamingbro 2 aylar önce
Bro hearted a bot
MissConstruct
MissConstruct 3 aylar önce
@Nickter745theBold Yes because throwing out foreshadowing and earlier known facts for the sake of a generic twist is extremely satisfying
mlg noob
mlg noob 3 aylar önce
@Nickter745theBold you sound like the kind of person to hate on easter eggs in a game because they add nothing of substance
Champion plays
Champion plays 3 aylar önce
As an aspiring game developer, what I can add to this is that sometimes if you are going to add a twist to your game, then leave it out of trailers, and advertisements. This will make it so there is no way to see it coming, and it will still make for an incredible twist, even if some things are figured out.
Loganslife
Loganslife Aylar önce
Dear MatPat, i cant believe i am now just commenting on a video, as i have been watching your videos for 4 years. I dont know why, but i subscribed about a year or two ago. I wanted to say this does make since, Such as most of your theory's. Please continue with your great content, i love re-watching you videos from film theory too. Sincerly, Your Fan, L
AmisterBlah
AmisterBlah 3 aylar önce
Seriously tho someone needs to make a fan recreation of Security Breach using the original story
Kai Games
Kai Games 2 aylar önce
okay but to be fair i think the security breech project was so different from what was fnaf before that i think you can let the few bugs slide, i belive it is a well put together game all in all
Whooze_z
Whooze_z 2 aylar önce
From the moment I read the title, I immedietly though of the manhwa "Cheating Men Must Die", were in one of the arc the MC told the FL to make a fanfic about the original ending of the story she was making but got stole buy the villainess soo that the villainess got no choice to change the ending into something worser.
Heretic Slayer
Heretic Slayer Aylar önce
Damm haven’t read that manhwa in ages, how did it turn out? Did the cultivator guy ascend and break from the novel?
Seejack
Seejack 7 aylar önce
Game company : "Oh no they guessed it. Quick, change it!" Mat : "I think they changed it. Here's my theory on them changing it!" Game company : "DANGIT"
lwinkley
lwinkley 3 aylar önce
Lol
OPTIPRIME GAMING
OPTIPRIME GAMING 3 aylar önce
tuff
derrick daniels
derrick daniels 4 aylar önce
🤣
Lord V KEF
Lord V KEF 7 aylar önce
trshow.info/watch/wdAtA0sm5yg/video.html trshow.info/watch/vzRFZ0GJhmk/video.html Just video
Kikicatmeow
Kikicatmeow 7 aylar önce
Definitely security breach
Jacob Patterson
Jacob Patterson 2 aylar önce
I would love to see a game that intentionally sets a million clues, has no idea WHAT the story is, and just let’s the internet figure it out. Then make the next game about that, set more aimless clues, etc. Would be pretty interesting.
M & Artroom
M & Artroom 2 aylar önce
That would be pretty cool. But seems like it’d be a lot of work for just a chance you’ll get a theory. However, if it does you’re gold
Abdelrahman Ayman
Abdelrahman Ayman 2 aylar önce
If I was a game dev I will write 1% of lore and build off the theories that I like
Pinkie Pie
Pinkie Pie 2 aylar önce
Thinking back to the very first GT videos, you really do die a hero or live long enough to have game devs re-write their stories to spite MatPat. Heh
Watcher of Content
Watcher of Content 13 gün önce
Having a game with a rushed, nonsense plot or ending when the potential was definitely present is a jumpkick to fans for sure
Amokriin Prolgiid
Amokriin Prolgiid 7 aylar önce
My favorite case of a creator trying to throw fans off of the truth has to be when Alex Hirsch (the creator of gravity falls) saw that fans started guessing that Stan had a brother who wrote the journals, and he created a fake leak framing McGucket as the author of the journals. It was brilliant and did exactly what he wanted it to do, without sacrificing the story.
The Potato Sapien
The Potato Sapien 4 aylar önce
Rebecca Sugar did that pretty well with SU too. SPOILERS in case you someone didn’t know: I can’t remember exactly what it was, but a while back, the PD=Rose theory was really popular. Then, suddenly…. Nope, Rose must be competent different! But then ASPR came out, and everyone was saying Rebecca Sugar must have changed their story to make a bigger plot twist, even though, in hindsight, it was REALLY obvious Pink was Rose.
MegaChickenfish
MegaChickenfish 7 aylar önce
The best part is how everything still fit and we got that scene of Dipper in front of the board putting McGucket in the center and everything fitting perfectly.
Seeing  Star
Seeing Star 7 aylar önce
trshow.info/watch/SPLl7UgvuLE/video.html Finally it's here .
Sporkle BlueMoon
Sporkle BlueMoon 7 aylar önce
THIS!!!! :D
butterrboi
butterrboi 7 aylar önce
@Jarom Weissvertthere was lots of fan speculation that he'd be important, maybe even some sort of sidekick or rival to bill when all the fanbase had was a voice credit to his name in a future episode description. it was pretty funny when he was revealed to be just some guy
Cairo Miravity
Cairo Miravity 4 aylar önce
If video game theories ruin games as a whole, the same can be said about movies, TV shows etc.
GooseOnTheLoose
GooseOnTheLoose 9 gün önce
I can easily explain the search thing in one sentence: Viewers want to play the game or see a play through so they can understand a video more
n buchanan
n buchanan Aylar önce
Can we just appreciate matpat for making threads sense 2011
ErzengelDesLichtes
ErzengelDesLichtes 2 aylar önce
“The game came out and it was nothing like our theiries. It also seemed rushed and unpolished.” Was this Hello Neighbor by chance?
Sheeprampage
Sheeprampage 7 aylar önce
Theories make games so much more fun! But i do feel like some games do try to change things after seeing theories
parFs N stuff AF
parFs N stuff AF 4 aylar önce
It sucks!
Lauren Leddy
Lauren Leddy 4 aylar önce
I wish they dont
derrick daniels
derrick daniels 4 aylar önce
@VoJonny JoJo For real and they aren't even advertising anything worth having.
Senboy
Senboy 7 aylar önce
Omgooosh that's 7 bot replies in a row
Clover
Clover 7 aylar önce
Yo I'm subbed to you
Sora
Sora 3 aylar önce
I hope this is a jumpkick start to less games changing the plot(s) to surprise players
dman wiebe
dman wiebe 4 aylar önce
Watching these videos always make me want to do a jumpkick
ĶįňğŢŇȚ
ĶįňğŢŇȚ 2 aylar önce
Lets be honest We want Scott Cawthon to come back and put the future of fnaf back in its place
Richard Boderman
Richard Boderman 3 aylar önce
Hello neighbor actually has an even older build than the pre alpha; the gamdev build
TheAmazingVic
TheAmazingVic 5 aylar önce
The fact that game devs are changing things just to subvert expectations makes me want to jumpkick them
Haley Murphy
Haley Murphy 19 gün önce
LOL
nineqwert
nineqwert 25 gün önce
@theexpertcraft92 he said the 'j word'
theexpertcraft92
theexpertcraft92 25 gün önce
@nineqwert said what?
Luke Goli
Luke Goli 2 aylar önce
I hate subverting expectations so much guys
S
S 3 aylar önce
X]
The funny guy
The funny guy 19 gün önce
Matpat: *drains all of the fun out of a game* also matpat: are we killing video games?
Ale gk
Ale gk Aylar önce
this makes sense because if I was developing a game like fnaf and the theorist community figured out the plot line of the game instinctivly I would change it and the more plot lines you dig up the more drastic the new plot lines are gonna be until the dev gives up and there are no more sequals because the community already found out the end of the story
Autarchyan
Autarchyan 16 saatler önce
I was already subscribed so when he told to NOT sub, I unsubscribed
Little Wallflower
Little Wallflower 10 gün önce
Tbh theories make me more interested in games I don’t usually have an interest for.
Zane Jones
Zane Jones 2 aylar önce
I don't think theories are killing games as much as their developers' desire to be on game theory is.
Heron'Feather
Heron'Feather Aylar önce
Release the theories a weekish or two before they release so they cant change it and you get to actually find out if you are right >:D
spawnerBgoner
spawnerBgoner 2 aylar önce
jumpkick is almost close to my absolute favourite move in well all videogames being the dropkick. any game that has a dropkick is instantly my favourite game
SilverHero_gaming
SilverHero_gaming 3 aylar önce
I'm pretty sure Scott is a subscriber still watching these videos
Storm Aurora
Storm Aurora 7 aylar önce
When I started watching Game Theory, I was around 12 or 13 years old, and I thought that it would be the coolest thing if I made a game that MatPat could make a theory about. Now I'm a college graduate with a degree in game programming and I still think it would be the coolest thing if I made a game that MatPat could make a theory about. I'd be super excited to have something in my game correctly predicted by theorists!
b0ba Fet
b0ba Fet 6 gün önce
Sameee
GooseOnTheLoose
GooseOnTheLoose 9 gün önce
Bro reply to this comment with the game title when you make one because I WILL PLAY IT. (And then put more comments in MatPats comment section than the Jellybean comments)
Haley Murphy
Haley Murphy 19 gün önce
I could play one of them someday too I'd love to see a theory too!😁
Strawberry
Strawberry 26 gün önce
Thats a big dream!i hope you can achieve it work hard but dont overwork yourself!❤️❤️
Alex .G
Alex .G 2 aylar önce
Like the subtle advertising lmao
Dino
Dino 4 aylar önce
Matpat should ask them to pay him he's literally a walking theorizing ad
Avery Hughes
Avery Hughes Aylar önce
Not done yet, but I’ll say this now and edit with my thoughts: I don’t think that theorists are the cause. They’re a small part of the larger trend of ‘spoiler culture’- the most evident in movies (a la most Marvel productions these days), definitely in video games, showing up less (but noticeably) in comics, and unfortunately creeping its way into fiction novels as well. To me, it comes off as insecurity in the power of your narrative. In some cases, it’s because once you scratch off the excitement of big action scenes and a few twists, there’s not much of a narrative beneath them. For indie game makers, I think it’s just straight up emotional insecurity. They worry that, if their plot is sussed out too early, the game won’t work on the power of a narrative that has been ‘spoiled’. It’s an unfortunate consequence of that bigger ‘spoiler culture’ trend.
your_local_exorcist
your_local_exorcist 3 aylar önce
this guy shaped my childhood :)
Jeff Jeff
Jeff Jeff 21 gün önce
Now we know the CEO was Andrew Dayton and the company was Steel Wool, and the game was FNAF SB
Jeff Jeff
Jeff Jeff 21 gün önce
His newest GTLive with FuhNaff confirms it
mNhera
mNhera 7 aylar önce
Mat has finally reached the "Are we the bad guys" level of doing theories.
ShadowRosé ツ🇩🇴
ShadowRosé ツ🇩🇴 5 aylar önce
​@wick Can you PLS STOP. The memes dead, no one likes it anymore.
Lord V KEF
Lord V KEF 7 aylar önce
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averagegenzguy
averagegenzguy 7 aylar önce
@Matthew Best "This isn't right, you can't just decide its all-over, you're saying every theory we make is wrong"
Matthew Best
Matthew Best 7 aylar önce
@averagegenzguy heheHAHAHAH... I mean, yeah I agree
Valonarious
Valonarious 7 aylar önce
@zambiepug Is matpat the imposter 3 am challenge ZAMN 😍😍
Ms.Queue
Ms.Queue 4 gün önce
This might seem like a strange example to give to game devs, but: if you want to see the ramifications of what happens when you try to outthink your audience to the point of sabotaging logical story elements, look into Pretty Little Liars - specifically the TV show by showrunner Marlene King. THAT'S what happens when you can't just let your audience be right about anything.
GooseOnTheLoose
GooseOnTheLoose 9 gün önce
Me: 🤌🍿 MatPat: Are developers actually changing their games in response to fan theories? Me: Yeah, probably.
Wyte Tigrr
Wyte Tigrr 4 aylar önce
I like how matpat didn't mention who sent him the email or for which game, but left clues for us to figure it out, watch the video again and pay attention and you'll know, I won't reveal it because I respect the game devs, but I'll let y'all figure it out on your own with the knowledge that there's clues. Please do not reply saying the game, if you figure it out just reply that you've figured it out
Nathan Anderson
Nathan Anderson 2 aylar önce
All the game developers when they watch this: oh no
Dionette
Dionette 7 aylar önce
So, essentially what I'm hearing is that, in a desperate attempt to be unpredictable, some developers panic and lose sight of their own game's congruity.
EmperorZ
EmperorZ 7 aylar önce
The developers are still awesome and better than youtubers
XXWildWolf
XXWildWolf 7 aylar önce
never let them know your next move
Random thing's
Random thing's 7 aylar önce
@Eat Your Creal yo guys this is a bot, notice the . between tu, and be, its not trustworthy, beware
just i c e
just i c e 7 aylar önce
trshow.info/watch/SPLl7UgvuLE/video.html Its here finally
Oliver LaRosa
Oliver LaRosa 7 aylar önce
That's more or less the thesis of things, yeah
Young Milli
Young Milli 27 gün önce
I know you will probably never see this Matpat but I just binged all your fnaf (well most) videos and I am starting to want to get into the fandom so it DEOS have a influence on at least me
JP_Ravenfire
JP_Ravenfire 2 aylar önce
Kinda reminds me of an episode of "I'm in the Band" where Iron Weasel basically claims they're not big until Weird Al has parodied one of their songs.
Hammad Noorani
Hammad Noorani 4 aylar önce
I actually started playing hollow knight because of game theory and other channels
NinjaKIngAce
NinjaKIngAce 3 aylar önce
0:20 How did you respond to that email? Because if they genuinely thought they had a mole, they might've changed it for that reason
rjj2
rjj2 7 aylar önce
"Let us be right" and "I KNEW IT!" are rules for DMs running D&D tables too. Sure, make twists, but then keep your clues going in that same direction. Don't punish the players for being clever.
Lord V KEF
Lord V KEF 7 aylar önce
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Lord V KEF
Lord V KEF 7 aylar önce
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Sboink The Leg Day
Sboink The Leg Day 7 aylar önce
You watch the entire cast WORRY if a character dies, but then you already know the spoiler, so pish, eff them, I DO know the outcome so I don't care about ANY of their mental anguish. Canon is for genuine sociopaths, escapism into a fiction where they GET to be ones, like it's a reward you're looking forward to.
Draken Sjacharytiss
Draken Sjacharytiss 7 aylar önce
Exactly. Best part is some of my more experienced players that have played at my games for a while know that I often throw in twists. So the new players think they're paranoid because they are accusing and looking into everything and scrutinizing every little piece looking for the twist that may or may not be there. It's honestly satisfying when they figure it out.
lacrossestick132
lacrossestick132 7 aylar önce
@ALEX GIBSON EXACTLY! That’s exactly my point. That’s why it drove me crazy.
Draedon 686
Draedon 686 3 aylar önce
i noticed in the first part of the video that the data has been cherrypicked (ie no counterexamples are offered)
Grey B.
Grey B. 2 aylar önce
So what's the game that changed their plot last minute in the cold open of this video? That's all I really care to know about this video.
Pikaplash25
Pikaplash25 3 aylar önce
I'D say he's right cuz RIGHT when he made a theory about vanessa being vany then an update came out where an ending shows vanessa looking at vanny on the top of the burning building!
Deathly Devil
Deathly Devil 4 aylar önce
That ceo unconsciously caused mattpat to have a theory a game theory lol
Lachlan O'Keefe
Lachlan O'Keefe 7 aylar önce
thinking about your conclusion, game devs should do something like Alex Hirsch, creator of Gravity Falls. When fans found his big secret, he did not change his conclusion, he gave something which did not affect the story at all, but gave fans enough doubt about their conclusion that they still felt the effect of a shocking reveal.
Wolfee9000 !
Wolfee9000 ! 7 aylar önce
@Squad NFT I was not saved by the ad
Hg Gs
Hg Gs 7 aylar önce
yeah
Squad NFT
Squad NFT 7 aylar önce
@Wolfee9000 ! Oktrshow.info/watch/a1j9owBuwdQ/video.html
Wolfee9000 !
Wolfee9000 ! 7 aylar önce
@The Owl saved by an ad
Tegan Dumpleton
Tegan Dumpleton 7 aylar önce
@Aaron Kilpatrick He would put out fake screenshots
The Theorists
The Theorists 2 aylar önce
if i would guess theories aren't killing games but keeping them alive like Five Nights at Freddy's (something some youtubers also have similar to that) but those theories could also kill those games by explaining everything that happens in the game destroying the fun of playing it and nobody giving money to buy that game or from watching ads. Also if everything is solved of a game and there are no more theories then there would be nobody talking about it. that is also a reason why they would change the game to have more theories about it. BUT THAT'S JUST A THEORY! hopefully i didn't just tell everything that happens in the video in short, but i watched the video so i don't think i did!
roberto caballero
roberto caballero 2 aylar önce
You’re not killing them you’re exposing them
Viscerator
Viscerator 2 aylar önce
Mat pat: Are my theories killing media Mat pat makes theory about game theory
Random gamer
Random gamer Aylar önce
Only Game Theory could make a theory about if Game Theory is making games change tactics
Aro
Aro 7 aylar önce
The theories don't kill the games, it's the writer/producers killing it by doing stupid last minute changes because they value "subverting the audiences expectation" or just suprising the audience way too high. It's the exact same with written stories like books and the like.
oh no I lost ma deeta
oh no I lost ma deeta 6 aylar önce
Breh
Cirno's number ⑨ fan
Cirno's number ⑨ fan 6 aylar önce
Furry
The regular ark and sonic fan
The regular ark and sonic fan 7 aylar önce
@Mili because of what he said and he’s always right I trust him with my life
Mili
Mili 7 aylar önce
@The regular ark and sonic fan how?
The regular ark and sonic fan
The regular ark and sonic fan 7 aylar önce
They kind of do
Soulhealer the Nightwing
Soulhealer the Nightwing 2 aylar önce
So… can you convince cyberpunk to be better?
SnowKit266Twice 🦅♌️
SnowKit266Twice 🦅♌️ 3 aylar önce
Well the mha fans used to "joke" that bakugo was dead in the manga, here we are 2 years later at chapter 362- not all creators steer away from theories, some run right towards it JUMPKICK Edit: manga isn't the same as games tho
Seth Peace
Seth Peace 4 aylar önce
Should've called this a "Meta Game Theory"
Sheikh ShihabAhamed
Sheikh ShihabAhamed 2 aylar önce
If game theorists figure out and layit out for the players. Game theorists ruin the fun of solving it. If its predicted or solved is it even a mystery?😡 why won't developers change the story line....😒
Sagan Hawkes
Sagan Hawkes 7 aylar önce
Woah, really great video, honored to be mentioned in it. Interesting hearing your perspective on this whole topic.
deep mind
deep mind 7 aylar önce
Hey, can you give Scott Cawthon a call and share that honor please. Apparently Scott doesn't know what honor means, because he made his own game worse out of pettiness that Matt gets too much right. FNAF security breach will thank you. How pathetic.
Alex The Gamer
Alex The Gamer 7 aylar önce
YOOO SAGAN
unfortunatewitnessX
unfortunatewitnessX 7 aylar önce
Hi, Sagan!
totally_ toko
totally_ toko 7 aylar önce
Ahhh I’m so glad u got to be mentioned in a Gt vid ! Ur videos are so awesome, I love the in depth look into the games u cover its awesome💗🐛
Christian Flaherty: Sequel Edition
Christian Flaherty: Sequel Edition 7 aylar önce
Your FNAF retrospectives have become the renaissance of this topic, so it's great to see it blossom into this! That Hello Neighbor video especially hit the nail right on the head, it's great seeing the message reach more eyes!
Emmie
Emmie 4 aylar önce
I am 100% convinced the email was from Mike Mood of KindlyBeast/JoeyDrewStudios. Look at the Bendy Theories and then Bendy Chapter 5. It's obvious. Also he said that the game was influenced by fan theories and none of the theories I have seen relate to the actual ending in any way.
Emmie
Emmie 4 aylar önce
@Some random dude It may have been security breach, but from what I know about Mike Mood and KindlyBeast, it sounds like something they'd do. I don't know about Steel Wool doing anything shady (like KindlyBeast) and it's not like FNAF to change stuff just to get a gotcha moment.
Streaming Until
Streaming Until 4 aylar önce
i agree with the security breach thing
Some random dude
Some random dude 4 aylar önce
Idk, might’ve been FNaF security breach, Mat did some theories on it, it got delayed, and it was, not gonna lie, a bit crappy
Pac-man_fan
Pac-man_fan 3 aylar önce
oh a new gametheory video, let's *JUMPKICK* into it!
Ale gk
Ale gk Aylar önce
game dev *makes game* theorist *discovers and spoils the entire plot line that was supposed to be told over several games* game dev *releases those games anyway* community *is disapointed and angry with the dev because there was nothing new and exiting in the games about the story that wasn't yet discovered*
Selçuk Güzelses
Selçuk Güzelses 3 aylar önce
I think game dev should let you make correct theories. Because when they allow your views going to increase and it helps to game popularity (Sorry if my english a minus10
Ready, Set, Game Over!
Ready, Set, Game Over! 7 aylar önce
I’m 100% convinced that Scott has changed the fnaf lore like 50 times just to spite matpat.
Lil_hazey
Lil_hazey 7 aylar önce
At this point Scott just changes it up so matpat can sit up all night to think on the lore instead of play other games and make other theories at this point mate
JD Phillips
JD Phillips 7 aylar önce
I always felt like he didn’t have any real lore thought out at the start. Not anything deep. Then the theories started and he reacted, feeding off them for better and worse.
DARRYL UnlistedBard952
DARRYL UnlistedBard952 7 aylar önce
@Unknown He greedy for having a consistent upload schedule?
AUsDorian
AUsDorian 7 aylar önce
Man we all know Matpat is Scott Co-writer
Unknown
Unknown 7 aylar önce
@Berry Every Watch his last Subnautica theory video that he posted Matpat's theories have been getting trashier these days due to his greediness to try and upload daily once in 2 weeks he could atleast post a video every month
Chris Void
Chris Void 2 aylar önce
this is absurd the developers are changing there game because of us i belive this BUT WHY are you devs scared
Zel Z
Zel Z 24 gün önce
Security Breach in my opinion is more complicated because of delays and because of the Steel Wool who knows if things were different if it would have ended this way or existed at all.
Sadrho Gollsodia
Sadrho Gollsodia 3 aylar önce
Nice, beat the game before it was released.
Mai ND
Mai ND 2 aylar önce
You can't stop me from subscribing to this jumpkick of a channel .... oh wait that's what you wanted isn't it ... goddamnit!
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