@The Man Himself tbf the actual ending hasn't actually happened yet. The TV Show got made while the series was still unfinished knowing it wouldn't be done in time for an actual ending.

Compared to the actual ending. Any alternatives take the win

Who doesn't?

Not like their was a challenge

@DareDevil that was about the last time his gigabrain worked, you might be onto something

@DareDevil Lmao. I noticed he didnt read a single book since the earliest episodes, thats another possibility.

@Abraham 2 yes, or maybe he just puked out all those knowledge when he landed in *Volantis in S05.*

There we have it! You solved it!

So true!

I tried not to laugh 🤣

Haha yeah.. That would never happen though

well... still i thing the series ends in logical way... we just assume Westeros had a pure luck of Arya doing that act, so they were able to defeat the undead army... but after this luck, the society continues in the same fashion MatPat describes... institutions not working, leaders being destructive (almost as much as the walkers) and doesnt care of cooperation... until the end when there has been raised some hope...

Better than fucking bran

@bondubu Have you forgotten that “A girl is no one”

I get you

Lmao I agree so much with that

I came into the coments to type the exact same 😂

Yes

Same mate. Same.

That's not a compliment.. Like.. Almost Anything is better then what we got..

I dont know if the real Endung was Bad, or it was build bafly

I agree, but almost ANY ending would be better then the real one

Magic Squirrel think about how shitty of an ending that would of been. Our main characters (who ever is left) should have to live with their failures.

I loved the Arya fight

It's fucking disappointing

@C L Speaking of HotD, MatPat should definitely make a video about "Who should win the Dance of the Dragons"

House of the dragons is sooooooo good

They should have.

Who cares?

laughs in arya

Arya didnt spend whole seasons at the faceless place for nothing.

*HALFWAY THROUGH THE SEASON.* (heavy furious breathing)

@wizardjokes Well, they mention it was decided 3 years ago, but if that feels like last-minute for you, ok. Source: Inside the Episode (for S8E3). What is your source?

@wizardjokes there is a post over at reddit that basically explains why was it sth planned and it actually makes sense

@Crash_127 Nope. It wasn't planned. It was decided pretty last-minute by the producers of the show because she became a fan-favourite.

Not everyone. Especially not D&D.

he just did what the show did, with a better ending.

Agreed. I lost interest pretty early on. I could follow the plot even without paying attention to the show. It had potential but went downhill really fast.

Technically Arya is also unkillable in the books due to her being the Author Wife's Favorite.

It was very effective.

The only time I want to see D&D and Game of Thrones together is if someone made a Dungeons & Dragons campaign for it!

and to be nerd-level accurate, it wasn't in the season 4 finale that the White Walker creation was explained, that was in season 6, episode 6 (same episode as the "Hodor" reveal). I remember being shocked we were getting that big of an answer right in the middle of a season.

You also messed up here... 5:58 That juicy box says "no salt added" But I'm pretty sure everyone gets extra salty from all the violence. Eh... I tried. I'll see myself out.

It wasnt the first men when they created the white walkers it was the andals.

If that theory does come true, then all that can be said is, GAME OVER!

I KNEW IT IF RENLEY WOULR BE KING THEN MY SWEET ROSES QOULD JAVE RULED THE LAND WITH FERTILE REACH, OH MY SWEET TYRELLS YOU WILL BE FOREVER MISSED

less sneaky and more just kind of jumped at him in front of everyone

I actually don't mind Arya killing the Night King, but how the hell she get past all his guards, as well as a dozen or so of undead creatures at his side.

True of pretty much every fan theory

More like “too bad Arya has plot armor”

@Christopher Edwards i don't even care about these things, because they are only in the books. but HOW IN ALL HELLS DID ARYA MAKE IT PAST THE ARMY + White Walkers without a sound! while in the SAME EPISODE! she wasn't even able to stay quiet and close a door without drawing attention..... HOW!!!!!! BS shit season made me so mad... and how come the entire army + white walker are in the gods wood.......... but one episode later almost everyone including their solders are still alive!!! HOW!!! did they run?! hide?! was that the plan?! let arya stab him.... "Amazing plan my lord! now i know i should follow your command!"

actually it was proven that only dragon glass could kill the night king *udead regar targarian* and so it couldnt've been valarian steel, ONLY dragon glass.

Nothing much mattered. Jons parentage? ! The prophecy? ! You know what I'm not gunna do this again last time I sat here and before I knew it I listed hundreds of things and everyone by now knows all the bullshit. No one needs to read a huge ass comment me listing it all....like I have before....

@Sharin Schwan we all know they mean blasphemy thanks to D&Ds post production exposition, I'm saying no one cares, because why should we take offense from the night king when he is murdering everyone using their undead relatives

Well actually if you did some research you would know that the spirals were meant to symbolise a weirwood tree, and a clue as to how to kill the night king. He had to be killed in front a the tree he was created by. Only with a dragonglass blade, stabbed in the same place he was stabbed to begin with. It made perfect sense.

everyone: the whitewalkers are the real threat DnD: no dont worry about them theyre all dead..see. Now back to fighting for the chair

1 episode for the “ biggest problem”

Ikr

Most important part of the series.. Ended in two seconds..

@Alan Pennie yeah duh... all i said is he helped to poison joffrey.

@Sam-pson Smith The War of The Five Kings was all Littlefinger's doing.

@Lauren Bobo but little finger helped her. that is clearly stated in the show.

Lysa loved Petyr, so he told her that if she poisoned Jon Arryn on a visit, making it looking like a normal illness, then he could marry her. He really wanted to take the Eyrie to help him get into power by exploiting Lady Arryn's love for him.

caffeinatednerdgirl olena poisoned Joffrey not Little Finger

What a shit plot... Cersei was made a winner while being stupid.

"This is an army that doesn't leave behind any bodies."

The night King will have most powerful army ever in the history of the world about 200,000 whites over 90 white walkers, 3 undead dragons, Giants and all manner of undead magically enhanced animals

Marlen Fehrmann or rather TO her war elephants 😭😭😂

@randomisawesome Ahem, Wildfire, she can easily use that on the army of the undead, and I'm highly certain cercei still has wildfire around.

@Milkioso didn't Bran sat on the throne... A wheelchair throne?

Well at least MatPat never ate any pies

Well he wasn’t wrong about how nobody sits on the iron throne :D

not a prediction though. He pretty much said he didn't believe it would end like this.

I'm still holding out on a Netflix animated series tbh.

Pretty sure he's alive in the books also

Parker Brantley I have never even watched a single second of Game of Thrones, yet I can agree. It’s probably more shocking I was able to understand anything in this theory at all...

Just rewatched this for the lol’s. Mat pat got it waaaaaayyyy off, but granted so did the whole world. I completely agree with you man 😂

The iron price is NOT votes

The king beyond the wall would like to know your location

@isdel just like democracy

Or you know, Sam. But yeah, The Greyjoy’s are awesome.

And Samwell

Rip maestro

Don't f*cking dare

@She Fain i was so pissed at that point cuz like bruh The greyjoys use both a democracy and a monarchy at the same time and she did to say a thing

As I learned in one medieval text adventure game where a character suggested democracy, change takes time.

You know which house follows democracy the Greyjoys but Yara didn’t say anything or say anything again about the independence Daenerys promised.

Well, the video was made before the finally, and also what said Ari is true :)

Yup... He predicted it..

Cakemagic ooh yes, the next question is who would be her hand?

Cuz a girl has NO name!!! Lol funny

littlefinger

Shit

hes wrong. because if they had just ignored the threat, theyd still be trapped north of the Wall. if the Wall is useless, the NK would have gone past it months before that scene. but he hadnt.

@Sebastián Santana Knew that Dany would burn a million people alive, made no effort to stop it. Said he couldn't be a king or lord, travels to kings landing to be a king Does nothing the entire time, summer dies he doesn't care. He has no empathy. Jon may not be king, but he shouldn't be cast out to do nothing on a holey wall that guards nothing. I'm just pissed at the amount of plot points that were ignored, like for some what was the point of revealing jons identity, what was the point of varys dying over it, why have so much tension between the nk and jon only to have them never fight. Like I'm fine with arya killing him, but I'd rather it be jon fighting the nk, he's losing and then arya sneaks up and kills the nk to save him, and have like a brother sister moment where jon realises kind of what she is and is proud of her.

has no sense of self literally know everything that ever happened knows what hasn't worked and what has and can consolidate those ideas into times of peace for westeros and people were still mad that Jon didn't take the throne

I was going to like this comment, but it's at 69 likes. Nice.

@Seighart Mercury Cheat it all you want you die eventually. There is no such thing as living forever yet and even that won't keep you invulnerable.

@Joseph Alex No. Because the point is, even people that manage to cheat death, can only cheat it so many times.

@『The Only Chicken Sama』 Ironic isn't it, that the 2 people talking in that scene have both cheated death.

Unless you have main character hacks

That’s the problem when you seek to push an agenda instead of letting the characters speak for themselves and push their stories.

Metrion77 bran is being hunted by the night king.doesnt really work out.

@Corvaric True. And the magic that changed the Night King was never really shown to be a contract of any kind, just a magic transformation. I just like the idea of winter being unstoppable, but ultimately making way for spring. But also being inevitable as the seasons shift from spring to summer to fall. I also put my wager on Bran surviving because his group is the only one that never focused on the game of thrones where "you win or you die". And his group would be the only one that would believably turn to the same magic as the Forest Children and restart the cycle.

The white walkers dont give a shit who you are, they even attack the first children their creators. So Bran could very well be a target

That's actually a pretty good theory.

Isn't Bran one of the Night King's targets?

@Sylvia Grove dragonglass is called obsidian by the maesters

@Rougarou I'm mocking Dumb and Dumber. I know dragonglass and obsidian are the same thing in Georges world.

Dragonglass is the archaic name for obsidian in the Game of Thrones universe. It is referred to as both.

Dev Last name I’m assuming by obsidian you do mean dragon glass since they look similar and obsidian doesn’t exist as far as we know in GOT. Valyrian steel I believe is steel and dragon glass forged together with dragon fire.

It's not because its forged in dragon fire it's because its valeryan steel, which is probably made of obsidian and some other metal mixed together

God Emperor of Mankind 3.0 what i thought too they couldve just not mind them how can the NK break the wall without the dragon? Becuase in the books there was the horn of winter??? I forgot the name but it wasnt introduced at all in the show sooo how can they break the wall without viseryon?

there is no danger as long as they stay away from them. Stannis actively made everything ten times worse. if he bent the knee to Renly, Tyrion loses his head. Tyrion cant suggest the stupid ass wight hunt. Viserion gets to live. Dany defeats Renly and takes the Iron Throne.

True... Ganky McPieMaker Queen did good

@Thunderjunk Mcbuttram It literally is. Both are pronounced J - aw - n. How the hell do you pronounce things?

Jim Johnson its not pronounced the same way.

@Thunderjunk Mcbuttram fixed

jon* its a real name, its one thing that people dont say it right i get that, but you do not type that name with an h.

Yes but we don't know that until waaaaay later. In the first season it looks implied that the lannisters did it. Also the letter Catelyn got accused them of so.

Aryn

yeah, i stopped watching after this part

it's Lysa Arryn

Her name is Lysa Arryn, not Liza Aaron... wtf? did you even watch the show or read the books?

@MrCanyon94 that doesn't mean it's going to be like it.

Siggesatan how is and ending where everyone dies a shitty ending? I really don’t think you understand the whole thought process and reasoning behind that ending. Man isn’t ready to defeat the dead if they can’t work together, so the night king presses the reset button. Then in another 1,000 years he tests their worthiness. It makes more sense than any other ending, besides maybe a minuscule few surviving this war. And ending where everyone lives would be the dumbest shit to ever happen in this series. I’m not saying this is the only possible ending, but I am saying it would be a good one. And it leaves Westeros open for the next wave of man, so yeah it definitely would be possible to continue it. Your logic just doesn’t make any sense my guy, I’d give this one up.

Siggesatan in my eyes a happy ending is extremely shitty, because that's what people want, and it's boring, generic and expecting. But that's exactly what GoT has not been about. And that is why an ending with everyone dying would be original and a lot better than some "good wins against the bad" shit.

Neetg AJ *lose

Siggesatan if you want a happy Disney ending that does not stay the course of the entire theme of the show then go watch something else. We don’t want you

She's not, tho. She's Arya Stark, not a Faceless (wo)Man. No one would have stayed in Braavos serving the One God, a girl went back to Westeros to finish off her list

Bro this is so smart my brain hurts, the wordplay is exquisite. Cheers have a cookie🍪

😂😂😂

he wasnt guessing on what would happen he was saying what shouldve happened

That is fucking brilliant. ROFLMAO

@I'm A Dinosaur since the ending was so bad, basically no theory didn't age well, since basically anything that is somehow grounded in basic storytelling principles and logic would still be preferred by most people.

@LYVI AH No, he was talking about the TV show. Still didn't age poorly, since he repeated several times that it's "how it *should* end, not how it *will* end."

It would be better than what we got

I wouldn't say that. He made some good points and said himself it probably isn't going to happen. The fact this was a how it SHOULD end saved it from aging poorly. If he said how it WILL end, well, that's a different story.

His theory about Dany going mad aged really well. She went mad and burned them all.

Well, the premise for white walkers is that, if you kill one you kill his army, so, killing Just the White Walkers kind of gives the whole thing a "Blast the exhaust port and we win" vibe. So, the series always has that option. Sad right XD

the ending is described as "bitter sweet" by creators. so im not giving up hope quiiiite yet. there will be losses.

Am i the only one who think Ceresi is gonna win

@Txmilx ssi exactly what I'm saying,she lost me when she burned Sam's father and brother although her trusted advisors begged her not to then the cold reaction on her face when she give Sam the news made me lost it.. went from thanking him to ripping his heart out.

@Omar Reynolds i think she started off a good queen but now she's just blindly drunk for power which will not be good for anyone who rules the seven kingdoms.

Casimir Funk don’t you mean the Greyjoy’s?

Schmoorf der Schmied but do the children actually say that? We don’t actually see them die under the tree.... I know in the show it’s all over in the show now, but I hope the books go deeper, apparently there is a broken promise with the weights in the books

Most of the groups do have Historic parallels in People's e.g The Children of the Forests are the Pre-Indo-Europeans of Britain. The White Walkers are the Picts of Ancient Scotland. The Free Folk are the unassimilated Old Brythonic Britons [Pre-Roman and Pre-Anglo-Saxons Britons]+Common Goidelic Peoples[Old Irish]+Hiberno-Romansm+Romano-Hiberno-Picts/Romano-Hiberno-Britons. The Northerners are the Goidelic Scots, Scando-Picts[mixed Vikinsg+Picts], Romano-Picts,[Romans and Picts] Norman-Picts, and Norns. The Westerosi are the Anglo-Normans(Mixed Parentage Anglo-Saxon Peoples and Normans]; Hiberno-Normans[Old Irish+Normans], Anglo-Saxon Peoples[Angles+Belgic+Burgundian+Gothic+Frisians+Frankish+Jutes+Saxons+Scanian+Vandal Settlers to Britain] and/or The Dane Law Settlers(Danish/Norwegian/Gotlandic/Gothic/Scanians/Swedish/Svealandic/Western Varangian Vikings]. The Free Cities could be either the Canaanites, Etrusco-Raetic, Ancient Greek, or Phoenician-Punic[Carthaginians] Cities. The Valyrians could be either the Latino-Faliscans[Romans], Ancient Greek Colonists, Italic Peoples[Aequians, Alba Longa, Auruncians, Liburnians,, Hernicans, Marsians,, Osco-Umbrians, Southern Picenes, Sabellic, Volscians] or Non-Indo-Europeans Peoples of Italy[Lepontics, Old Ligurians, Messapians, Northern Picenes, Old Venetian or the Sicels]. The Dothraki are either the Bulgars, Göktürks, Huns, Medes, Magyarok[Hungarians], Scythians, Scytho-Khotanese, Sarmatians, Oghuz Turks or the Xiongnu[most likely] Peoples.

NoseKey I guess I am a troll though, because existential safety nihilism can be as fun as a hammer to the knee I liked hearing you object Also maybe aliens are sadist.

NoseKey I imagine some planets are yet so full of some so called "rare earth" minerals contrary to most others. Minerals without which you don't have access to certain consumer goods. Some stellar objects such as strange matter neutron stars may for all we know be rather rare and extremely valuable. Also maybe there are only a few million planets in our galaxy with habitable conditions at any one time. Seeing how huge the galaxy is, that is bound to be actual real estate. Most importantly we can only speculate as to whether alien beings are possessive or not. But truly, we might be a potential threat simply because of something unforseeable such as our civilizational growth indicating that we will build a dyson sphere, while our star is the only one giving off the exact wavelengths of light that a fundamentally ecosystem-supporting form of life on Fhup has evolved to feed on in tiny amounts necessary to its survival. The Fhup civilization being about 20.000-20.700 light-years away from Sol, and goddamn religious about their home planet, their received mathematical wisdom about wormholes having not been proven wrong in a few tens of millenia, their wormholes only being able to be open at the nanometer scale, wormholes only being able to be open at certain alignments of their area with galactic dark matter which only happen every so often, and them not being wired to fathom linguistic theory, they decide to send miniature black holes at the opportunity of the millenia in 2076 to Earth to destroy all life on it. We're talking about aliens here and UNKNOWN unknown unknowns is my point, and anything you can come up with to support the idea of being supposedly safe from an alien threat can be shown to be moot in any number of imagined scenarios [EDITS finished, sorry]

amen brother i just started a couple days ago

Perfection. 🤟🏿

And now my life begins

And now my commenting begins

Amy Lust really, prophecies are *never* genger specific?

What I was thinking too

@based yuri I'd like to believe I have more honor than pride. But I know a man who sure is prideful and works with no honor and you are wearing his banner. Maximilianmus betrayed the faith of our king pewdiepie. I shall not take words from a traitor and his bannermen.

Judy McClenny ‘the 'prince' that was promised’ was a prophecy and when dealing with any prophecy in any language they are never gender specific meaning that your point has no valid point even if it was a valerian prophecy

Syblex I was just referencing it was a joke and I wanted to see who got the reference

@Jason Williams Yeah. I wrote a separate comment about that. This fool thinks Mance did not bend the knee because of pride. He should go watch the scene where Jon tries to convince Mance to bend the knee. "The Film Theorists" are a bunch of pretentious fools who are just very impressed with themselves for no good reason.

Lol I guess alot of people were gonna say this. In his defense alot goes on though.. buuut that IS kinda his thing, the nuance...so it's a wash

You beat me to it lol

Hey, I said that yesterday and hardly anyone liked my comment.

Right?! Come on! I love Film Theory, but this is poor research. It's even said in the season finale it was Lysa who was convince by Little Finger. You didn't even have to read the books to learn that!