Respect!

at least someone knows what they’re talking about!!!

Where do you buy yours?

@I'm stupid But lol corsets tend to have a bad reputation because of outliers (dislocated organs due to tight-lacing) inflated to seem like the norm. I recommend you check out the videos of actual fashion historians/youtubers like Carolina Zebrowska (meme mom) and Bernadette Banner.

@I'm stupid But "just youtubers"? They're actual historians who specialise in fashion, hence, they know what they're talking about. You seem to see people as 'less than' just because they also post things on youtube. btw Women DID wear pants, particularly working class women, although they did wear their own version of it. Also, crinoline skirts weren't too practical for the average working woman at that time so most didn't wear one everyday. And who says crinoline skirts were awful in the first place? ._.

Or being pregnant. Good gods, EVERYTHING shifts when the baby gets big!

Corsets are WAY more comfortable though and they actually supported you (I have a large bust so corsets are way better for me, idk which is better for a smaller bust)

Thank you! I was wondering when someone would tell people this!

And, to fit with the sillouhette of the dress was achieved by making skirts bigger, or padding by the hips to make the waist look smaller.

Lol I'm wearing a corset right now!

Amen 😇

OMG THANK YOU!!! I’ve been waiting to see a comment like this👏🙏🏻😁

THANK YOU FOR SAYING IT

A BODDY LIKE AN HOURGLASSS HEEEEEE YAHHHHHH

THANK YOU

Also Bernadette Banner, who is a dress historian and has some amazing videos on the true history of corsets.

I was looking for this comment exactly

Thank you for the rational commentary on corsets. The misrepresentation here is awful, promulgating every long-busted myth about them. I'm a history re-enactor and I have worn corsets for as long as 18 hours in a day. When a corset fits correctly it's a remarkably comfortable garment. Nobody could get through the day if corsets had actually been worn as they are presented here. I have terrible issues with my spine. I found my custom-made corset to be a superb back support when I had to be on my feet for many hours, and that it assisted me in correct posture when sitting. Further, corsets were NOT worn to bed. A lady took it off, put on her night dress, and slept just as we do now. Nobody believed the drawings in advertisements any more than we believe the photoshopped images of models now.

Both Bernadette and Karolina are absolute faves of mine!

Thank you. I tried to watch this, but had to stop as I couldn't hear what they said anymore because of my shouting. :P Made it halfway. Even museums show all the myths about corsets.

MariaDreamed 这很酷 :3 they should know when to stop. Their body would start hurting or give some kind of emotion. Plus, the indents on the liver looked kind of fake. They were pushed in so much. So yeah it is their fault for lacing it too tightly. Their body gives them a signal, yet they deny It.

@_alex back then I don’t think they had the option to get ones that fit their body type because it was a time period where women had to fit this ideal person ,and if they didn’t fit it naturally they would force it therefore leading to issues with organs. Not to mention the corsets made in this day and age are made with safe materials that don’t cause pain because it’s the corset that has to fit the woman, not the woman to fit the corset like back then.

@_alex even now we still obsess over how we look in dangerous ways such as tanning beds and surgery such as BBL which can be dangerous as the fat which is moved has a risk of entering our arteries therefore making some people to die at the end of the surgery. Yes we know it’s stupid but Back then it was either fit that category or be an outcast. Not to mention they didn’t have the information we do today and to them having corsets made out of whalebone and steel was perfectly normal

@Neon_pixell it was still their choice to fit in or be a so called ‘outcast’

Yes!

For real!

I don't think it was as inaccurate as everyone's said. The purpose of a corset was / is to support. They stated that specifically tight lacing was the harmful aspect ( and that only a minority did it ) which I'd assume to be accurate. Then again I'm no expert - can anyone clarify ? Pretty interesting subject.

Eve O'Grady Mashups although they do state that tight lacing was the more harmful yet less used way to wear a corset the way this video presents it gives the impression that it was something much more commonly worn for long periods of time. The demonstration they give is especially misleading as they tight lace her into an unseasoned corset without having any previous corset experience. It’s like saying that doing the splits is the direct cause of pulling your hamstring, and then having the demonstration be forcing someone who has never done a split in their life do a full one on their first try.

@SC I get why everyone is so annoyed over it now haha! How it was framed and the physical re enacting does seem misleading now even if the information itself wasn't actually incorrect. Maybe it's due to the different perspectives / knowledge of the historian compared to the 'corset collector' , I can only speculate. Actual corset wearers seem to know a lot more than that woman at least !

Oh! I adore you! At least you're doing it in a healthy way!

Thank u I studied textiles and these corset myths bug me to no end. It takes all agency from historical women and acts like femininity made them weak, and only be dressing in a more ‘relaxed’ way as men did did they suddenly become ‘free’ (to the modern viewer at least, who may not know men’s clothing could also include shape wear...) I feel like it ignores so much complexity, cultural overlap in men’s and women’s clothing and other pressing social issues or practical issues that maybe lead women to dress a certain way, and people to encourage or discourage that mode of dress. It’s just reductionist, and relegates women’s issues down to a clothing symbol inside of something like lack of legal rights.

Lawrence Scales - Preach!

Yuppers. I have done full on 1870's with the huge rounded bustles and all the proper underpinnings. I can do almost anything in those gowns - except sit against the back of a chair **L**. These types of highly incorrect videos make me so angry because they do not teach, they perpetuate rumor.

How fascinating! Just subscribed!

It was Morgan Donner

And there is also Karolina Żebrowska who did a video on corsets.

The scoliosis corset is not a corset its a brace which does nothing like a corset

@Kylee Palmer I believe it depends on who you are. I know there was someone who got an actual corset to help with their scoliosis. I just forgot who it was.

@Kylee Palmer her (Bernadette banner's) waist had to be reduced inorder for her scoliosis to not get as severe. Her video on corset myths is super informative

She's amazing ! 💙

Yes,

She's really pretty.

I love her voice! I could listen to her 24/7. Really lovely lady

I strongly agree.

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@Ohh its Oral No I'm not. I can't handle ARMY's :,)

Thats okay anyways hi😊

@Ohh its Oral Yeah. Hi :D

Exactly, it makes sense that people who have only heard about corsets through pop culture (where they are grossly misrepresented ) might think they were oppressive 'silent killers' but it is rather surprising that Dr Suzannah Lipscomb, who has done a substantial amount of historical research would think the same, even though they have been a staple piece in both men and women's wardrobes for several centuries.

Victorian women just used padding to create the ilusion of a small waist. They had things to do, they coud'nt just tight lace their corsets 🤦‍♂️.

Ikr everytime I see a Barbie doll (usually not Barbie herself) having actual realistic proportions I’m like wow her waist is not small when it’s an actual proportion 😂 that’s so bad.

**barbie doll with a corset**- may I introduce myself?

@jrseahorse ikr! I had a doll.. She isn't "thin" her arms has muscles and her waist is so perfect!

Winx: allow us to introduce ourselves

Oh yes! Always!

I have blonde curly hair too ! It’s possibly more curly than hers 😉😂

@*Georgia* Groovy! You tall and long legged like her? Petite and sweet? Slightly fluffy,and cute as a button? Good for you! I have long kinda wavy hair and a big kinda ginger and silver beard. Take care of your hair!! It can go at any time!!!!! I'm bald except for three inch wide fringe that is down past my shoulders! Kinda trying to make up for the shiny top. I was just teasing by the way, I was always jealous of my brothers. They had wavy almost curly hair and mine was board straight. When it started falling out,it started to get wavy. To little to late,I always thought. Be safe and stay healthy and let your curls flow!!!!!

tom cline in a way yes but I’m probably not as tall 😂 thank you very much though and I do my very best to care for mine! It’s sad what happened to yours but I bet you still look amazing 😁 thank you again and I will, You stay safe too!!

@*Georgia* Sweet! I left amazing in the rear view a long time ago! It never bothered me loosing my hair. For a while I shaved my head,it was easier when I was a firefighter,but about 11 years ago I said the heck with it! Quit shaving,and cutting my hair. Now I look like a giant lumberjack. I'm 6 foot 7inches tall and about 300 lbs,so the pony tail,giant beard look fits. Have a great day/evening( depending on your time zone)!

The corset collector actually said it. She said "Tight-lacing was a minority of people did back then" but of course they emphasize it being a majority instead

@Avourrito No they empathize it because that was the point of the video. The show why some women did it and what the effects on the body were.

a lot of make up products and even skin care products are dangerous too, perfume also. there are many things we don't know and don't care to know even.

I never use those. I have been insulted and bullied for being pale/light-skinned, but I'm proud of it (not in a racist way - other people's skin colour doesn't matter). "Tan as much as you want, just leave me", I said.

Kayla Tolliver do people still do that? It’s illegal here in Australia! Although I’ve heard plenty of people have ones at home still ( illegally) I’ve no idea why people would intentionally do that knowing what we know!! Like anything I guess smoking etc..

Atriya Koller 2nd that ALL skin colour is beautiful and I love my pale skin now too! Thanks to twilight I just tell myself I must be a vampire 🧛‍♀️ lol 😂

@MegRo haha, I had that time too after Twilight, and in fact when I go to the beach I joke that people could get blind because of my legs - they are legit white and reflective 😂 Also, to your answer to the original comment: I live in Russia and in most of our country it's super fashionable and you get looked down on if you don't tan (I don't even sunbathe on the beach, it's too boring). And these rooms with tanning beds are still in most beauty salons, although, thankfully, they aren't as heavily advertised as 10 years ago.

Crisader Rose was it tailor made for u, and was it made of good quality fabric and materials?

I am planning on making my own some day. I can't wait to try it! I HATE bras and am hopeing a corset is better.😅

Hannah M I want one tooooo but I have no talent w a sewing machine lol

You can always learn! 😁

Hannah M I had textile lessons and sewed my finger lmfao I have no hope but honestly imma just save money till I can afford to have one made :)

I have 26 inch thighs! EACH! My oldest little sister is built like you. She used to put my jeans on standing in one leg! Of course I'm 6'7" tall and at the time my sister discovered her smart ass Gene I only weighed 230 pounds.

And that's why the expert in the video specifically said that a minority of women tightlaced.

@tom cline Your point?

@Belle R. No point,it was just a comment on xxxmindblockxxx's comment. I just thought it was funny,and reminded me of my tiny sister. That ok with you?

@tom cline Oh, I see! Sorry, English isn't my first language and it sounded to me like you were calling her too skinny. I'm a bit sensitive in that area, since I've been called anorexic ect. before. Sorry for assuming the worst!

Most makeup made now is vegan 🌱

@Kendra Harris vegan means that it contains no animal products. That doesn't make it safe. For example, the more problematic ingredients would be lead and tarc, or other harmful chemicals, which would be used in vegan products anyways. Using vegan products isn't any more healthy for us; it's just better for animals.

Kendra Harris What does that have to do with anything? Vegan doesn’t mean it doesn’t have cancerous ingredients in it.

To be fair we don't get lead poising or cancers from the daily make up products so it's safe to say that we have gone far.

Kendra Harris mercury and lead is vegan

If you're not use to it. It takes longer. This is like saying someone who wrapped a sari in 1 minutes vs to someone who isn't use to it.

LittleImpaler True, but my point is that Victorians were used to putting on corsets as they were their bras essentially. They were certainly more used to putting on a corset than I am as I only really wear one every once in awhile. This video is idiotic and I was only pointing out a single idiotic thing they said.

@Dakota H It's not stupid. They kept saying a tight corset. That's the problem a tight corset.

LittleImpaler perhaps idiotic is not precisely what I meant. I meant that the information is presented in such a way as to seem idiotic to me. Their approach to proving how awful corsets are was incredibly unconvincing (that woman was suffering from anxiety at the mere mention of wearing a corset and it seemed like she was freaking herself out about it). The experiment would have been more informational if they took someone who was accustomed to wearing a corset occasionally and didn’t seem anxious about it. The whole video seems rather melodramatic when I would have preferred it to be simply factual. No need for doomsday music as enough people survived the Victorian era to keep the world very well populated. All the problematic products mentioned laid the foundation for laws being passed that tried to protect people from substances or things that were harmful to their health. It still happens today. How often do you see class action lawsuits against companies regarding their product? Things are recalled all the time (prescription drugs, baby equipment, specific parts of cars, food, etc.). It’s really not uncommon at all. I thought it was funny how they talked of all these “killers” when I don’t really feel like we’ve come very far as a society. Do we really imagine that we don’t still have similar issues with things today? Do we imagine we’ve discovered the ultimate in health, wellness, beauty, and safety? Is it really better that we drill for fossil fuel to make plastic and turn that into cloth and wear that around rather than fur? Are women today really not damaging their health and bodies by wearing heels and bras and putting who-knows-what on their skin? Not to mention the food issues we have. Do we really imagine that eating Cheetos and drinking soda is okay because the chemicals in them have been approved? (Before anyone makes the argument that they don’t consume such garbage I will also make the argument that not all women wore poisonous cosmetics or used poisonous things in the Victorian era.) As the video currently stands it just feels like more of a “Wow, people were so terrible and dumb back then. Aren’t we glad we’re so advanced now!” which doesn’t ring true to me as there are plenty of practices that I view as abhorrent that society deems to be perfectly acceptable. I very much suspect that future generations will look back at us and be astonished at our ignorance and stupidity.

@Dakota H exactly my thoughts

Thats quite gay 🥺 I like it ✨

The second Wizard of Oz book (1902) has an army of 400 girls using knitting needles as weapons, against Emerald City, to take it over. There _was_ a man at the gate with a gun, but he foolishly admitted to the whole army that it either wasn't loaded or he didn't know if it would work. And thus, they raided the whole city, and the Scarecrow (who was king) had to leave.

[you pickpocket from a stylish and obviously rich lady] [a pin stabs into your brain and kills you almost instantly] [as you fade away she picks the pin up from out your skull and smoothly puts in back in her hat]

Yeah, I found that pretty badass

I'm gay 😳💗

Wearing the wrong size and made it tight is dangerous Corsets aren't that bad

@mintiistrqwberri yes yust if it is too smal

Yes, the corset itself isn't deadly, it's how small or tight you decide to make it, tight lacing is completely different from corseting honestly

@KarmaKaughtTheKat plus if the corset was "breaked in" / "seasoned" properly. It matters exactly that it fits just right. :)

Guys have corsets?

Don't forget that corset though

Dude same🤣 and the fact that I have a tiny waist. Shit I guess I was born in the wrong time

I wonder if my ancestors gave birth to a malshaped baby because they felt the pressure to look skinny and curvy

Me too! (Though I’m not full blind I’m near sighted) I laugh about it all the time 😂

I don't understand why Americans want Tan/Morena skin. Give me yours in exchange of mine now!

I think it’s becuase at this time thye took it too far and laced the corsets up too tight

Did you watch the video? They wore these 24/7 and weren’t a size 0.

Are u a blink?

So some women wearing corsets that crushed their organs weren't deadly? Omg I never knew

@A_random Person What I meant in my comment is that women didn't tight lace their corsets (but some probably did of course). Sorry if I didn't explain my point very well.

Literally that made me so mad

Lmaooo

Have you tried putting her in rice

What's going on? tea that’s why we have stomach acid lmao

**4-year-old me who swallowed a grain of rice by accident 👁️👄👁️**

Also from what I've learnt the common belief of fainting and squished organs are largely greatly over exaggerated.

The historian specifically said it was a minority of women who tightlaced :) (Though they definitely could have emphasized that point more!) How interesting about the midwest...in southern California padded bras are still very much a thing & "stuffing" would never ever be practiced by an adult woman.

Angelina Rose Oh yeah, that’s what I meant. Padded bras are still common, but the act of stuffing is not (most of us around here leave that behind when they get into high school, if they even partook in the first place)

Yes but it’s like waist trainers now. Most of us don’t wear them, but it’s still a big thing.

Plus what does it change about the breathtaking side effects shown by the moderator. She clearly was not tight laced and still couldn't function. It's not representative, but I reckon most women would react similarly to a (not tight laced) corset.

I guess most of this video is relating to British women which is maybe where there is a difference. I know Victorian women in the UK were laced tightly and they would Often faint.

The Victorians had like corsets made out of bones and they would have had to tie it really tight the corsets nower days I think corsets are a little bit more safe they were used to help but it still wasn't safe the corset your friend had probably is ten right size but the corsets the Victorians wore might of been small

Tight lacing was just as shocking as it is now if u look at any Victorian corset the shape is built in to the corset so you just had to pad the bust and hips for extra shape

Had to scroll through a bunch of corset arguing to find this. Glad someone else noticed it

I have a bustier(kinda like a corset) but when I wore it, I never done it too tight.

Actually they would paint these photos to make their waist even smaller.

I was just thinking that's exactly what they were and how depressing that we're still doing exactly the same thing today with photoshop as they were doing well over 100 years ago with illustration.

2manynegativewaves the video did point out that they were just illustrations and not to function as they were depicted. Yet as the historian mentioned also, the movement led to even more extreme measures beyond the illustration.

I used to work on a publication that reprinted historical catalogs. The content shown here are accurate, it was amazing what items we have now had an antique equivalent.

@savannah but boys wore corsets or rather stays but that's beside the point

@savannah so? they're not wrong, and besides men wore corsets too

The video was ONLY about the women that did it to the extreme. They’re not saying every corset every is gonna kill you.

Very accurate!

the only truth in this video some make up is actually poisonous.

It's always something!

it was actually seen as something vain to do just like modern day face tuning of your body in pictures

Yet there's the evidence of that misshapen liver...

@Doris Fromage our bodies are flexible, a pregnant woman will also have a drastic shift in her organs and she will be perfectly fine. besides, corsets were not worn like modern Spanks are. corsets served the purpose of what the bra does for us rn and they were there to support all the hoops and padding they might had under their clothes.

You a time traveler?

@Gay _ no,, just examples

Ozzy the Bun exactly

so you want to learn about lies then

*History class already teaches plenty of half-truths though-*

Your profile picture suits your comment 🤗

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It went extreme. But a corsette was created for support. But with time as with all things add meaning and layers of culture is added.

Lol

Ya know corsets were made for people specifically for them, and they would slowly break in the corset. to be more comfy and modern people have done things like climb trees, do pushups, and lift weights right?

That's why "housedresses" and "Housecoats" were popular. But you couldn't wear them where you might be seen - like opening the front door to bring in the newspaper.

And he was shirtless in front of those two women,who I think are both pretty as hell. I'da been mortified! Then "GASP" SHE TOUCHED HIS NAKED PERSON!!!!!!

I was trying to figure out if they were actually drawing on a real person, how it looked like the marker was pressing on real skin I couldn’t tell because that would be wierd I would think just draw on a mannequin but I guess it’s also easier to clean that way

Yup

Sasha Rohr yes

This was just an odd choice 😂I was like, why is he here??

you can wear corsets dont worry. people rarely broke anything and those who did are the equivalents of the kardashians

THANK YOU

Your pic sums it up perfectly. XD

The narrator is a very well established historian as well...

"the stained their skin dark in a coffin shaped structure called the tanning bed, some people would even get skin cancer from it but people still kept doing it, *risking their lives* "

5:17 “tight lacing is something a minority of people did” I agree, they should have emphasized this, but reading the comments, it seems almost everyone is aware corsets were not normally use this way.

Nonse of them were photos they were all illustrations, and they were drawn like that on purpose.

Corsets were worn by all women and were not oppressive,corsets were not agonizing

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men were the ones who started this whole lie of corsets being bad for you

@Sunmi's washing machine yeah

I think they do realise, considering that the whole thing is about TIGHT-LACING of the corsets, made possible by the metal holes so the fabric wouldn't rip, and that they specifically mention several times that these issues were brought about by tight lacing. The bit when she tries on the corset is a bit dumb though- like obvs she's gonna find it weird if she's not used to it or it's not made for her.

If you look at it again, it had additional grommets on the sides to accommodate the growing belly/baby. Tight lacing was very bad, but most women used corsets like we use bras and spanx today: to shape and support.

What's great was she also said men were against it, and rightfully so. In today's world it's nice to hear something good about men.

Curly Yasmin ???

Oh good grief. Shes just perpetuating myths. Corseting wasn't anything like this. A pregnancy corset was like wearing a maternity belt today. It's for support. Almost none tight laced. And why is she talking about it taking HOURS to get into a corset??? It took minutes. This is a tissue of lies.

Nari Shemintarc true! They would wear light clothes with a black background and the areas around the waist was painted black like the background, making the waist look smaller!

People also forget that the hips and bust widths (both in images and in reality) were exaggerated to emphasize the tiny waist.

You see how in a lot of the old Victorian photos they are in front of a pretty blank backdrop, they actually just took a pen to it and coloured in the waist part. The earliest photoshopping.

Karolina zebrowaska has a video on it

How can none of you see that they’re NOT photo’s. Like the women said in the video they’re just illustrations because no women can look like that. Pay attention before you make a comment please.

It probably took her a hot minute to get used to it.