The Peace Meditation Phrase Old Lyran written as: Salome gam nan ben Urda - gan njber asala Hesporona! pronounced as: Saalome gam naan ben uurda gan njjber asaala hesporoona! Français : Que la paix soit sur la terre et parmi toutes les créatures ! En español: ¡Paz en la tierra y entre todas las criaturas! Portuguese: Que a paz esteja na terra, e entre todas as criaturas! English: Peace be on the Earth, and among all created creations! Deutsch: Friede sei auf der Erde, und unter allen Geschöpfen! Romanian: Pacea să fie pe pământ, și printre toate creaturile! Italian: La pace sia sulla terra e tra tutte le creature! Croatian: Mir na zemlji i među svim stvorenjima! Czech: Mír na zemi a mezi všemi tvory! Indonesian: Damai sejahtera di bumi, dan di antara semua makhluk! Arabic: السلام على الارض وبين جميع المخلوقات! Persian: سلامتی بر زمین و بر جمیع حیوانات باد! Polish: Pokój niech będzie na ziemi i między wszystkimi stworzeniami. Danish: Fred være på jorden og blandt alle skabninger! Finnish: Rauha on maan päällä, ja kaikkien olentojen joukossa! Swedish: Frid vare på jorden, och bland alla varelser! Ukrainian: Мир на землі та між усіма створіннями! Russian: Да будет мир на земле и между всеми существами! Chinese: 愿和平降临于地上，万物之中也。 Vietnamese: Nguyện sự bình an giáng trên đất, Và giữa các loài vật! Japanese: 地上に、そしてすべての生き物の間に平和があるように!

Consider a monument( or hovel or the Eiffel Tower) and ask if anyone knows the designer, creator, builder. You may prove God as true, powerful, loving when asking if you or that structure is more complex.

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Your illiteracy betrays your bias.

Agree wholeheartedly. But no comma needed, and don’t you mean worse instead of worst?

The Dawkins types now have plenty of answers they can't question, their side is left backing creationist equality once again.

I would rather have a bottle in front of me, than a frontal lobotomy 😂

Poor.

​@Churble FurblesYou clearly don't listen to Dawkins. He never says there definitely is no god. All he wants is evidence. Good evidence and he'll be most attentive. Prove me wrong with evidence to the contrary.

@Thomas Huth Would you like to be understood? If so, one-word responses aren't going to get you there.

well said

Define "good." I know many "good" people who are surprisingly immoral beneath their surface.

It's more of an insult to think art wasn't created by an artist.

@Ray Gordon Teaches Chess Do i really need to spell out what good is? Behaviours like being respectful, being kind, being courteous, not causing intentional harm towards others, and helping one another. So what if you know "good" people who are immoral beneath? Evil is also natural part of humans, but so is doing good.

The exact same thing happened to me too. I didn't discover that he was dead before months later, and it made me really sad. Imagine the things he would have said (and the impact he would have had) on all the things that has happened these last years. It's such a loss that he was taken too soon

I love Hitchens and Fry. The rest are just ok.

Harris my fav

Thank God for Hitch, Rich and Fry. Sorry if that sounds like an English breakfast, but what harm? it was always the most delicious way of starting the day.

Same for me too

Genesis 5 Lexham English Bible Adam’s Descendants to Noah 5 This is the record of the generations[a] of Adam. When[b] God created Adam,[c] he made him in the likeness of God. 2 Male and female he created them. And he blessed them. And he called their name “Humankind” when[d] they were created. 3 And when Adam had lived one hundred and thirty years, he fathered a child in his likeness, according to his image. And he called his name Seth. 4 And the days of Adam after he fathered Seth were eight hundred years. And he fathered sons and daughters. 5 And all the days of Adam which he lived were nine hundred and thirty years, and he died. 6 When[e] Seth had lived one hundred and five years, he fathered Enosh. 7 And after Seth had fathered Enosh he lived eight hundred and seven years, and fathered sons and daughters. 8 And all the days of Seth were nine hundred and twelve years, and he died. 9 When[f] Enosh lived ninety years, he fathered Kenan. 10 And after Enosh fathered Kenan he lived eight hundred and fifteen years, and fathered sons and daughters. 11 And all the days of Enosh were nine hundred and five years, and he died. 12 When[g] Kenan had lived seventy years, he fathered Mahalalel. 13 And after Kenan had fathered Mahalalel, he lived eight hundred and forty years, and fathered sons and daughters. 14 And all the days of Kenan were nine hundred and ten years, and he died. 15 When[h] Mahalalel had lived sixty-five years, he fathered Jared. 16 And after Mahalalel had fathered Jared, he lived eight hundred and thirty years, and fathered sons and daughters. 17 And all the days of Mahalalel were eight hundred and ninety-five years, and he died. 18 When[i] Jared had lived one hundred and sixty-two years, he fathered Enoch. 19 And after Jared had fathered Enoch, he lived eight hundred years, and fathered sons and daughters. 20 And all the days of Jared were nine hundred and sixty-two years, and he died. 21 When[j] Enoch had lived sixty-five years, he fathered Methuselah. 22 And Enoch walked with God after he fathered Methuselah three hundred years, and fathered sons and daughters. 23 And all the days of Enoch were three hundred and sixty-five years. 24 And Enoch walked with God, and he was no more, for God took him. 25 When[k] Methuselah had lived one hundred and eighty-seven years, he fathered Lamech. 26 And after Methuselah had fathered Lamech, he lived seven hundred and eighty-two years, and fathered sons and daughters. 27 And all the days of Methuselah were nine hundred and sixty-nine years, and he died. 28 When[l] Lamech had lived one hundred and eighty-two years, he fathered a son. 29 And he called his name Noah, saying, “This one shall relieve us[m] from our work, and from the hard labor of our hands, from the ground which Yahweh had cursed. 30 And after Lamech had fathered Noah he lived five hundred and ninety-five years, and he fathered sons and daughters. 31 All the days of Lamech were seven hundred and seventy-seven years, and he died. 32 When[n] Noah was five hundred years old,[o] Noah fathered Shem, Ham, and Japheth.

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@8191 21521381194 copy and paste from a fable???? I could do that from books i believe in - surly formulating your own thoughts is a better argument??

Thx.

He was selfish and only cared about his opinion.

@chad samora pathetic attempt to discredit him. mad much?

@AverageFPSgamer you mad you lost your 'hero'?

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Emojis don't know what they mean. They tell us nothing,

@Rellu Katta You might need to go see a doctor ASAP

His view on the war with Iraq is a curious one which goes against the general view of today and of the time. I can only assume like everyone else he was not in full view of the facts, however I still admire the courage of his convictions and his debating skills.

He was right about religions and the Iraq war and he still is and will be.

@Tech you think it was right to invade Iraq?

@Tech I’m a little out of touch with the latest situation in Iraq but for many years after the intervention (as you put it) things seemed worst for the soldiers on the ground and the general population. Many factions that Saddam Hussain had held down came to the forefront, if you tell me things are much better then I will believe you. It has to said though we Brits went in there under the premise that there were weapons of mass destruction which were never found, so our consensus is that it was an illegal war that damaged the legacy of what was a successful prime minister.

I'm not sure we've solved any of our problems.

​@PrinceAsmodeus legal slavery was solved modern midecne education sorry for bad spaleing i am traying to improve

Keep it up!

How was it solved. Morality just changes overtime. You are assuming that slavery was wrong

Well said Jeff! 👍😊

The religion of Hitchens All Hail Christopher the all knowing!! The irony…

@GloryCarrier22 He was way smarter than you, that's for sure. I hope the only irony here is your comment.

@pbluma you have the same problem he had, arrogance enough to assume way too many things and the same dogma you accuse others of…

Sure - or maybe he was just a kid still, and made that statement as a last ditch effort to hold onto a worldview that he identified with, and was exasperated as to why everyone was trying to usurp his preferred unknowable truth with their unknowable truth. Because make no mistake, atheism is just as unknowable and 'faith-based' as any religious view. Hitchens' largest mistake was to purport atheism as the only 'correct' view, instead of agnosticism.

Oh wow, another atheist patting himself in the back.

I hate this argument. My sister use to say that kind of thing and I would say so you dont kill or do bad things out of fear of punishment. I dont do it because I know its wrong. Who is the better person.

Literally wrote paragraphs on something so illogical, excuse making and non coherent, then used a singular observation to answer a general question.

My regret is that I never heard of him till well after he was gone.

We can't have it all but we can take the second best. He will be remembered in his books. So get hold of them. Reading his books would help your regret. He has written a lot.

Sandeep, listening to him live was challenging, because he wrote and spoke densely, with sentences packed with colors and lexicon that were difficult to assimilate fully in their initial onslaught. With the benefit of video, you can parse out his joy of using words, and dissect his meanings much more fully than most people can do on the fly, live, because you can replay it until you have extracted his very exacting point, then you can appreciate his humor and wit much more fully than you would be able to do hearing him live. Let that "regret" go. You have nothing to regret.

He wasn't god

Unless you get divorced...

@June Sackett explain further please.

It’s sad that the concept of love and forgiveness was so incomprehensible to you that you could not believe even God capable of it.

Have some faith, my child. You have only to believe in God in order to live. To know God and to live are one and the same thing. God is life. Love is life. Every single thing I understand, I understand only because I love. Everything is bound up with love and love alone. Love is God.

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why do you do that?

@Dave Suchy do what?

Well, as usual, theists don't have logic on their side.

Good point. 😅 Plus we would not have had Hitchslaps or Richard interviewing Haggard and Wendy Wright. 😂

"It's hard for me to imagine a world where they would be out of work..." Hell.

I find Ricky to be a bit a wank, inexplicably can’t stand him. George Carlin is one of the greats though, still unbelievable him and Christopher are gone.

@dave t I’m sure they have pretty decent careers in hell. If hell wasn’t imaginary that is.

Well my children you are finally growing up

I agree with you 100. However relegion offers those without the inellect and ability to be introspective such as yourself, rules for the moral traffic. Then there is the social pressures for those with a strong relegious family. The issue as always is the abuse in the name of relegion

Mind Begs the Question: If a Religion - Encourages exercising Thought If a Govt - Discourages exercising Thought More Scientific - Govt,Religion?

@Michael Eastham Well there's no need to go insulting amoebas

Very moderate religious people though. Hitchens and Fry v Anne Widdecombe and a Bishop is a good debate . The catholics were trounced

Except they have no arguments..

The religious have to make their theism into deism for this, though; some vague creative force of transcendence and inspiration. The actual teachings and history and practice of organised religions have to be swept under the rug.

I think Dawkins is a one trick pony. And just like the rest of us he is human and all humans make mistakes. Don't they?

@Si well, he wrote many books arguing against religion so it's definitely more than one trick.

@elmohead, no, it’s the same trick repeated over and over. In the end, both Hitchens and Dawkins have conceded that there is most likely a higher power of one sort or another, hardly the stance of an atheist with conviction.

@vince widemann it's logical to think that there is a higher power. In an infinite number of multiverses, there is infinitely more universes with a higher power than one in which humans are the highest power. Doesn't mean god.

@elmohead I suppose it is worth asking what is logic and where does it come from? If a human commits to a theory which is logical to them after believing or disproving another then he or she would probably religiously try to justify this belief they have found in a new logical point of view becoming so arrogant that no one else could possibly disprove it. Dawkins and Hitchens could be right. However they could be wrong as humans are infallible. We are organic and there are may things that we can not know. Who is going to say without any doubt that we can know everything there is to know. And if that is the case there is always room for doubt and the possibility of something unimaginable something not yet discovered or experienced.

You’re still religious. You’ve just traded one set of beliefs for another as society has shifted. Modern ideologies still tell people how to think, what’s right and who to hate.

@oblitibley Nope. Religious people pray to a god and take nonsense at face value. Atheists like myself, don't.

@Pseudonayme 77 If materialism is all there is, belief in freedom, truth, justice or whatever else you believe in is just as unfounded as a belief in God. Maybe people don’t believe in miracles or pray, but they have their gods. Modern society holds a dozen contradictory beliefs they blindly hold to because challenging them would collapse their faith.

Would you challenge with similar humility those who assert the existence of a fire-spewing dragon or a flat earth or a flying teapot?

Agreed, although depending on the audience, a less fiery messenger could be more persuasive. I think Sam Harris is an equally great representative of the atheist movement in his own way.

Sam Harris has refined his arguments over the years. He recognises Hitchens' much missed art.

Unfortunately there are plenty of dogmas people can be drawn to. The vacuum left by religion will be filled by other stupid ideas.

IF it took 50 years I'd say you are the problem even if they are too.

Thats what I tell folk *Fiary Tales* We walk amongst cavemen.

Very well said "Gray Cat"! Meow!!!

X to doubt. All three of the opposition granted within their own words that at least some of the good they were proposing religion was necessary for isn't exclusive to a person of a religion. I get that they were doing it to avoid the obvious vulnerability of being asked if any secular person could do that good thing; which I can respect them for anticipating, but the need to basically grant the opposition their proposition just to avoid a vulnerability in part of your argument is pretty telling of just how much of a losing side your position must be. Couldn't even fill 10 minutes of exposition about religion being a good influence without granting how unnecessary it is. Not to mention the super weak argument that is "religion will never be gone from humanity entirely and that somehow implies it's beneficial" Especially with three atheists on stage and of course some in the audience who live not only without it, but in opposition of it. Not in the least surprising that one of the "questions" was just a secular person with three secular kids asking just how far off their rocker they must be to insinuate what they are claiming will never happen is being lived by some of the audience present.

Damn nightwish, havent thought about that band in awhile. I didnt know they wrote an album like that. I did just see Lacuna Coil

I was stunned when I first listened to the Nightwish opera and heard Dawkins speaking. It was beautiful.

Damn right Mary. 💯👍

So your argument is "if it can't be perfect it's not worth attempting to mitigate at all"? I'd also love to know what period of history you've discovered that predates all religions. It seems like the moment Humans can communicate somebody in their group concocts some BS to explain the weather and the sun.

Man creates God in his own image.

No.. The opposite.

@gore 108 Lots of people behave in ways that prove his point, though.

Except that he was so full of irrational dogmas about religion, culture, history and Mother Teresa

@Robert Davidson He was definitely a bit narcissistic

if he's wrong he's in the hot place isn't he? how sad

​@Jer Smith how sad? Hell, if he's there I can't wait!

He is now manure. Religion is still here.

Smug redditism, it is evolutionarily selected, and the false alternative is a dead end.

Religion is manmade but it was supposed to be divinely inspired and it has lost that connection. However it doesn't mean that atheism is correct either.

Religion is man's word -Faith is God's word

People clearly like science fiction

Well you tell yourself that

@Robert Davidson I see you coping and malding all over this comment section lol

@Ophanim if you need to tell yourself that to cope with someone who isn’t into your dogma, then distort away - it’s hilarious seeing the twisting that people who somehow need to believe that religion poisons everything get into in order to maintain their irrational bigotry

So you agree with him insofar as you already have your mind made up beforehand. How is that anything but saying "He is right when he agrees with Me" ???? :)

@Paul S You lack imagination if you think atheists cannot believe in 'spirit' in the sense Gordon was using the word. Spirit, for an atheist, does not refer to any kind of 'ghostie-thing', but to the spirit of a man's (or a woman's) life and work... to his or her essential philosophy. In this sense, yes, one might even say that there IS a form of spirituality that atheists can believe in. All it takes is a modicum of understanding... and imagination. I'm quite sure even Mr Hitchens would agree to this proposition.

​@Paul S he would agree, his spirit cannot live on. His memory & words can. By his reckoning.

@Paul S You can also use spirit

Everything else but his honesty. His verbal assault on Mother Teresa and justifying in the most ignorant way for the illegal invasion of a sovereign country was quite frankly disturbing.

Don't bet on it. Have you read 1984 lately?

Why?

Who sets those parameters? Individual human whim? Communal compromise? Who sets and enforces the punishment of evil? What is the reward for doing good?

@skp easy to answer. The basis of natural law is "do not steal" all other laws are based on this one thing. Do not rape or assault, because it's theft of a person's body. Do not manipulate bully or coerce another, because it is theft of their own peace and free will. Do not steal property. Etc. It's really very obvious. You could also take this first law to mean don't do to others what you don't want done to you.

The world isn't as simplistic as the dichotomy of good vs. evil. I taught my child the concepts of respect, consideration of others, compassion, fairness, self awareness, responsibility, etc. Protesting isn't 'good' behaviour, as it is non-compliant. But it has resulted increased rights for disempowered people, towards the greater goal of equality. My child was not considered good at times at school, primarily due to speaking out against injustice and erroneous information being taught (such as 3 people landing on the moon in 1969, when only 2 did), or poor teaching methods. This resulted in being punished with detention, despite being honest, reasonable, and fair.

@HiFi Valiant Natural is arbitrary unless grounded in God’s ontology or some neo platonic matter.

@Autistic Phaglosophy I would say the reverse. Defining morality to be some guy’s will is arbitrary. Saying morality is evolved is grounded in biological history.

Which?

@Shakey which what? books?

@steveraleigh100 you don’t seem to have basic ability of relating words

@Shakey wow, you are quite the wordsmith, aren't you.

He understands very little about religion. He should leave it to actual scholars of the subject and stop his pretensions.

Who taught you these righteous ethical principles?

@Del Price no one .

I love this comment ❤

To be clear - I love David Harrison’s comment. Not anything coming after that slanders it

@Del Price One of the best things about learning from your human experiences is understanding not to judge and condemn the harmless actions of others. To be nice because you’d like others to be nice to you. If you learn your understandings of behaviour from religion you’ll likely judge and condemn homosexuals, women, non-theists of your creed etc etc. Bigoted, horrendous behaviours that harm others in the name of your chosen sect.

I was catholic until I was about 20. You have to be willing to let go of your ego which identified with your religion. Not very many people are able to do this. It's much easier to keep believing you are right. But I agree, once you are exposed to just a couple of arguments that poke holes in theism, it becomes increasingly easy to recognize the subsequent arguments you are exposed to as either being intellectually honest or dishonest.

@John Kaminski As a Catholic, what is more important to me is believing that Christ is right, rather than believing that I am right. When it comes to my belief that God exists, this is based more or less on philisophical considerations, and thus requires no proof. As a starting point, I consider the existence of the Universe to be circumstantial evidence that God exists, then take it from there.

@Thomas Hosking yeah I have no problem with the belief that God or a higher level consciousness exists. I also have no problem believing that Jesus existed and was perhaps a spiritual prodigy. However I find the miracle stories and most of the Bible pretty far fetched. Just like how anyone who was Muslim or Hindu wouldn't believe in the Bible, or just like how you wouldn't believe in the Koran. There are just too many reasons to not get behind any particular religion, and no real good reasons for them, imo. Especially considering all the tribalism, divisiveness, and stagnation of scientific and philosophical thought that religion causes.

Exactly.

Amazing how listening to these arguments from theists and atheists can make you and I gravitate to the exactly opposite opinion.

You would think religion would be adamant on preserving the environment, especially since their god created it, yet they are hardly to be heard on the subject. You'd think they'd be the loudest most radical in saving god's earth. Puzzling.

@T I am. We are but the stewards of God’s creation, its master only in His absence. While we are temporarily entrusted with it it is fundamentally not ours in the sense that we may do with it as we please. It is our duty to preserve it, not our right to destroy it. The steward is the servant of the Lord, to oversee and maintain that which the Lord places under his watch; to allow it to fall to ruin is unconscionable and in human terms treasonous.

Nope.

Yep, religion is a matter of geography, not revelation.

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I don't know if that's true with racism. I vaguely recall studies involving young children split into groups with different colour clothing. Said children very quickly started to discriminate based on this. I suspect it's deep evolutional programming which once served a purpose survival-wise - much like religion or rather superstitious thinking (pigeon experiment!)

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@Léguman children are not instinctualy racist. That is a fact not a debatable opinion.

Jesus is empathy, empathy is jesus

@ShitWrangler lol.. I don't get why theists keep trying to redefine their friend. Empathy has a definition and there is no jesus in it. It is something shared by most people, of all forms of religion and with no religion at all. Pls prove your Jesus even exists.

@Janis hall prove your empathy exists. empathy is strictly being able to relate to somebody from a shared lived experience. NOT what you think empathy is.

But for much better reasons 😉 .

There is no god but Hitchens and Dawkins is his prophet? You need to listen more...EVERYBODY had issues with Hitch...he got carried away and lost the plot often in his debates.

You can't escape the human nature of controlling what the masses believe. This is about the human nature to need followers, but thet won't discuss that, because they want followers.

it's because secularism IS a religion

Yes. The religious should be respected, but religion itself should be disrespected.

But they engrossed God Dollar, also called "The Plutocrat" , along its deviant precepts (no.. strictly speaking, economy is _not_ a "Science" by itself, else economic crisis would be evitable).

@HawkFest That does seem to complicate matters, doesn't it?

@Dem Ocrat I'm not sure I understand what you are pointing out. I realize there is a multitude of religious beliefs I've never heard of. I was surprised to find that Judaism, alone, has so many sub-sects under the Hasidic title. Christianity certainly has its fair share. Anyway, you are correct about my referring to a certain group of religions I am familiar with. I think that if the zealous leaders who interpret religion in a politicized way for their own purposes didn't have the religion to exploit they would exploit some other purpose to control the followers. Christianity and Islam are at the top of my list for abuse of power. I can't say all religions are corruptable but, maybe they are. I don't believe in any deity. No grand design. No all-knowing entity oversees us but allows us to be left to our own devices. No afterlife, rebirth, etc. A dirt nap is what I believe is my destiny.

A lie is a lie The life I have had I would not wish on anyone. But psychopathic sky fairies are not for me.

Isn't that a bit woke, not allowing people to have different beliefs than yours? Live and let live.

@David LeFarge Not if it causes so many people damage.

I wouldn't deny anyone their faith either. Luckily, secular humanists and atheists are not in the business of denying people things. That's more of a religious deal.

So do I. His eloquence expresses the ideas I have but lack the skill to say.

Only if you keep your eyes firmly shut, stick your fingers in your ears and shout La La La desperately

Atheism will always need religion to validate its none religious sense of identity. Atheism is the all-important post religious phase of the greater spiritual path. It's the necessary limbo state that sits between religiosity and spirituality. Like Neo stuck between two train stations where he can only get rescued from a potential permanent limbo state (Mobil) by the one and only Trinity. The trinity of the Christed path is The Way (through religion), the Truth (Atheism) and The Life (direct spirituality). Scripture was not written by the religious or the atheist, but was written by the spiritual for all spiritual and soul levels.

No, religion will always need atheism to validate its non atheist sense of identity.

scientism - that's what has replaced religion and its experts are the new priests. Listen to the science, don't question the experts etc. The science is settled - sound familiar?

I do, it's the latter.

​@Kaiser Chief no scientist would say all science is settled. Science is not a question of belief - you can believe a scientist, but the whole point of scientific studies is that they can be replicated and proven true or untrue by whoever chooses to do so, which is not the case with religion. If you scrap all religious books and come back in a hundered years, new ones would be created & they would be completely different (note that every culture has their own religious story). If you do the same wiith science, it would come back more or less unchanged.

political defiantly

@Kaiser Chief That's normie npc 2020 covid soyence, not real science.

You have my sympathies

Powerful. Good son and imo a mother misguided much like mine but I believe good intentions they have/had

Hi, have you considered Islam?

​@Quran Man Not really, but I find the underground culture of ex-Muslim Atheists living under oppresive regimes fascinating.

I DEMAND A CONTINUATION!! What the hell! ))) I loved this story!! You have me hooked and it ends just like that! noooooo!

I’m a Christian, if my neighbour was poor and atheist, I would still give him the $20.00. God knows where your heart is.

Lucky you. My mother tried to indoctrinate me into believing all that nonsense, but because of the way she went about it, I started rejecting anything and everything religious, and she achieved the exact opposite of what she wanted.

@MrX MrY Well done.

As a child I loved the friendly presence of the moon and loved God, our Creator also.

The only major difference is, children grow out of Santa Claus … … 😏

@Kieren Moore It's taking a long time for populist scientists such as Dawkins to grow out of macro evolution. They are way behind their deeper thinking evolutionary scientist peers who are searching for theories that actually work. But in the meantime it does make for a phantasmagorical bedtime story. As for knowing God, that's one of life's greatest privileges for believing academics and ordinary folk alike.

such hubris from someone who can't form a coherent sentence.

Try Atheist-TRshowrs like Forrest-Valkai, starting with his videos about John&Jane but also his very-newest Video

all you are saying logically is that your gut is superior to those you disagree with. Which takes it completely out of the rational realm, doesn't it? Here is a non-Christian scientist of high reputation I believe there is no source of deception in the investigation of nature which can compare with a fixed belief that certain kinds of phenomena are IMPOSSIBLE. William James

I like it. May I be your first disciple, oh great cherry?

@KILLZONE435 welcome

But Faith is not about understanding except to the point you need to act right and know where you came from and where you are going. When I die your opinions are not going to be of any use to me, and I answer for the evil or good I did. Your view is that this is all a stage play and afterwards everybody gets a prize.