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Seems to me a lot of speculation and not much proof. And you British historians keep ignoring that there were 2 arthurs several 100 years apart. And until you come to terms with that , all the history you write is bad history. In my opinion the whole lot of you fail to mention the suppression of Welsh history That occurred in the early 1920s. And until you reconcile And resurrect true Welsh history British historians are going to continue to stumble through with the sentence," we we just don't know.." I have little sympathy for modern British historians particularly when they watch a modern war on TV and then rail about oh my God the history and culture of those people is being destroyed. Yet with a few beguiling Tricks the British government destroyed Welsh history In the very early 1920s and because of that None of British history starts to fit until 1066. I am not Welsh or British. The dark ages, what what a phrase, would be better applied to modern historians. But please feel free to keep using the phrase " We just don't know." Always makes me smile.

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Netflix is rubbish. 🗑

I'm with you on that.

Some Alien Astronaut Theorists would disagree 😉

SERIOUSLY!

"It's Ritual, Tony!"

@Deflated Hypnotist I haven't been watching the return of TT. How good can it be without Phil?

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@Amy And Tony. I appreciate the fact that a lot of the original team is back but the camaraderie is not the same.

He's going on 80 years old now and retired. cheers

Thank you! Was trying to place him.

Helen Geake, too :)

BUY GOLD AND SILVER ARE NEW CRYPTO...';;;;;

Francis was fantastic on Time Team, absolutely. Always fervently passionate about uncovering (literally and figuratively) the ancient ancestors, with inspired puzzle-solving of the ancient's ritual reverence for _their_ fore-fathers, and much more. He is a gift, to be sure, a positive light who jelled wonderfully with the likes of Mick (RIP and another _gift_ as well), Tony, Phil, Helen (of course) and all the rest of that great bunch. Tempted to name them all but would take a page to do it. Best show ever, perhaps ;-) Excited to watch this!

I kept expecting to see Phil Harding and Tony come through arguing 🤣

YESSS I love him!!!

I love britaiN

_"Our use of the phrase "The Dark Ages" to cover the period from 600 to 1000 marks our undue concentration on Western Europe .... From India to Spain, the brilliant civilization of Islam flourished. What was lost to Christendom at this time was not lost to civilization, but quite the contrary .... To us it seems that West-European civilization is civilization, but this is a narrow view."_ - Bertrand Russell _"Thanks to the teachings of the Qur'an and its emphasis on the cultivation of knowledge... Different scientific disciplines were derived from the Qur'an and spread across the world by Muslim thinkers. The world was illuminated with the light of the Qur'an and the culture of Islam."_ - Rev. Bosworth Smith

Rome owned the shit out of ancient Britain. Same way America owns them today. 🥴🤷‍♂️

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great reply , i aggree , and take comfort in knowing the closest i can get to te truith , is through sreaming up radicle ideas

I’m waiting on Part 2. 📻😁

I visited Tintagel Castle, the historic medieval site, associated w/King Arthur situated on the clifftops in Northern Cornwall. It's one of the most breathtakingly beautiful places I've ever visited. England is very beautiful! 💓😊

A green and pleasant land!

Exactly. They conveniently glance over the 100s of ruins strewn across the islands which _had_ become abandoned and _had_ suffered obvious signs of being sacked.... doesnt fit the narrative.

I always thought this attitude was by cities in the Italian heartland and major byzantine cities was a big reason why they were some of the most advanced, intellectual, and artistic cities/regions in europe until the early modern period or so.

The resources did not flow from Rome. It was the other way around. The leeching of British wealth from Britain to the Roman imperium stopped. The Roman roads were the arteries of that wealth extraction and the mechanism by which its armed enforcers could quickly march to co-erce that extraction. Without that infrastructure, wealth would remain local, and stay on the Island for once.

@Neil Óg You have a GDP of like $3 trillion, there's not that much wealth to leech my dude.

@Chance And how big is Italy's economy, my dude? The UK has the 5th biggest economy in the world. I'd say that's pretty wealthy.

Alot of these videos were made in the time of tony blare and it shows

That is a very good argument. Some might have invited them, some might have fought them.

@Lord Talun Karku Did you mean Tony Blair?

@HappyBeezerStudios - by Lord_Mogul Can’t imagine anyone inviting them. No one invites conquest.

Yeah, but ... wouldn't have been sheeite living then

The Bible was locked up by Roman Catholic to the public.

Of COURSE it does! What an idiotic statement.

Exactly. And why is this? Why do we have ~ 1000 years of history not documented? -While the periods before and after are very well documented. The answer is obvious, but as with many truths, they are meet with ridicule, until they will eventually become self evident. Those missing years are simply made up. Before you laugh, please do you due diligence

@Diligence Humility A thousand years was made up for what purpose?

Yessss ‼️ BRAVO ‼️

Sorry

@Cole Chislett sorry why??

except if it's cliimate science, then the science is settled. or covid science. that's all been "modeled." modern academia has become hopelessly infected by idealogues, and the only ones unawre of it seem to be academics themselves. the only thing this documentary should be doing is highlighting that we are able to parse our historical roots with more specificity and provide a higher degree of nuance, but some of these conclusions are as assinine as the myths they purport to replace.

👏👏👏 I agree, completely. It is the same in academia and at the best universities (which I was a part of for a decade). And I love it when they are proven wrong. But it takes a new set of eyes from a different background using perhaps previously unavailable science to prove them wrong. And they don't like being wrong, so unfortunately most things, once widely accepted, are considered dogma. The world needs more ppl to ask questions and think out of the box, like you did. A dash of creativity is dangerous to any established lie.

This man has an agenda that is driving his hypothesis rather than the facts. This is very questionable "history".

I agree. Just because the stories we tell ourselves make sense... does not mean that those stories are true and accurate.

@Delia_Watercolors Yes, perhaps when one holds the degrees and it is incumbent upon them to keep in the forefront and look smart, a single ring in the dirt can serve as the basis around which to rewrite history. And, I might add, I have no degree in anything. Guys like this would tend to dismiss any input or question from me entirely upon establishing that fact. They have a club to protect.

Apparently it was ceremonial in nature, part of some ritual.

It was horribly dark. U have no idea

really?? i saw half of it and there was NOTHING THERE THERE! rarely i have seen such bullshit to be quite frank!

@Johann BBravo huh?

@Johann BBravo I think we’ll take Francis Pryor’s expertise and peer reviewed investigations over your online rant. Thanks though.

Paul - you’ll love his more recent work on Stonehenge. Quite a lot of it here on TRshow.

@Stu thats the point. there is no peer reviewed investigation going on there. when you dont see it. youre freakin blinded my friend!

Agree 100%. What's reassuring is not this documentary, is that so many people immediately see through this nonsense. This documentary could have been so much better if they had presented their findings within a proper context but instead attempted to force it into the contemporary mold.

Agreed

really?! the soundtrack is the problem??!!

That’s a weird annoying soundtrack For more feeling to mess with the motions maybe to get people not to watch it

It's nothing to do with TRshow..... It's bad editors....

@NicTheGreek1979 I'm sure you are right!

I just learned something, I've never known 🥇thank you! This is why I love these documentaries..., So much information is given from the audience. Thank you again

That's very good point I also believe that merlin staff was not from this planets it wasn't just some wooden staff he used as a walking stick

meteoric steel in a time when most swards were of poorer iron or bronze really gives the idea. "A sword descended from the heavens, like given from the gods, able to smite every foe, pierce through armour and break other blades in half" Basically a great explanation behind swords of legends.

get a grip its a legend not factual lol

@60toodles Any legend springs from some actual fact, spread by word of mouth, overheard by distant people, changed, transformed into fabulous tales and then partially forgotten. It wouldn't be so strange if a rare and precious sword would be passed from generation to generation, given a name and accompanied by a legend on its origins, then lost and turned into a tale to tell, even without thinking of kings of Britain, magical stones, predestined knights and such.

So you're into fantasy and fiction and not real history I see.

@MoonBurn And you're interested in low brow sarcasm concerning a person you know utterly nothing about. I see

@Thomas Zaccone That wasn't a shot at you, but at this video's content.

@MoonBurn Sorry. Actually, I don't really agree with the author's premises. You can't just disregard people like Nennius, Gildan and Bede who were closer to the events than we and may have had access to unknown original sources since lost to us. I find it hard to believe that the fortifications on the Saxon shore were constructed in such strong nature as to serve merely as storage units. At the same time the points he makes about the "Dark Ages" makes sense to me. They were in a good part,but not exclusively, dark because of a lack of records. This may have been due to viking destruction, Henry VIII's destruction of the monasteries, and the activities of Oliver Cromwell and his religious fanatics.

Usually, when half the history is false, the whole damn thing is.

Thank you for your valuable contraction to throw future historians and archeologists off the correct path. You my fellow 21st century human are playing the long game.

Why not swim down n pick up your tools?? Or is the water too murky?

Not if offered to the gods

Maybe dump points from government confiscation or from a victory in a fight if victors had better weapons they wud just dump the losers.

You underestimate the power of religious beliefs ...

@Scott Mcr People underestimate normal human behavior, and archeologists are among the worst at doing so. Like you point out, if you didn't want your weapons confiscated, you dumped 'em in the river. Sometimes, the river floods, and you lose it, or a man dies and the location dies with him. More likely than tossing expensive items to the gods.

I haven't got the appetite for a detailed discussion, but one crucial fact is worth bearing in mind: History was almost always written by the winner.

Firstly Gildas was writing about Saxons not Anglo-Saxons which don't exist culturally for about another 300 years after he dies. Angles were in Britain in large numbers as Roman Auxiliaries for a couple of centuries before the romans pulled out and fought alongside the Briton's against the Saxons, the Irish and the Picts. Like Britons many Angles had already converted to Christianity where as Saxons were fighting a protracted religious war against Christian expansion and oppression of pagan peoples. When the Saxons arrived in Britain they set about attacking all the churches they found including Gildas's. He then wrote a lot of anti Saxon propaganda to encourage the kings and leaders of Britain to oppose the Saxons. The fact they they completely ignored him is now taken by historians as evidence that what he wrote was not considered to be true even at the time it was written.

Yes, this whole thing is bad history. Unfortunately bad history is now the mainstream even in academic circles.

Advanced in technology. But lost the fear of God. Where's the progress?

Perhaps the English etc returned to their roots and true authentic selves? Nothing wrong with that and infact its exactly what is required in 2022, with the ever growing takedown and removal of our race, culture and traditions.

Impression They got away with it At this time Europe was more Cool

@EgoShredder You are more than welcome to. I'll take indoor toilets and supermarkets, thanks.

@EgoShredder selective quoting, wildly out of context. Look up the Dunning-Kruger effect, and then go off and have a wee quiet rethink. Also, stop referring to others as "normies". That's intellectual snobbery, minus any genuine intellect.

Now that's a British insult. The dialogue was more of a cobbling of sounds and imaginative nonsense, too!

Krakatoa eruption 1883?

@John Wright not that one, perhaps one much earlier in 535-536…but just look up “536 AD” and you will find much information and speculation on this subject.

Krakatoa has probably blown it's top several times. I think one of the other of Earth's pressure cookers got credit for 536. I'm not sure they have decided which one yet. I think the Central American cultures of that period were having concurrent problems.

I’ve been googling on ‘the worst year’ yesterday. Seems they don’t know yet which volcano caused the long winters. Other indonesian volcano’s, Iceland and a volcano in el salvador are suspects too. It also might have happened twice short after another, because 544 was another dip in temperature. I don’t think it was in indonesia, because it was inhabited back then, there were contacts with China and India. There would be discriptions of the disaster. I blame (uninhabited) iceland or New Zealand.

@Phillip Holland perhaps you're correct, India might not get to be a superpower, at least in our lifetimes. However, I did write that it was an imaginary scenario so as to get people to consider how they might feel if the tables were turned. I for one do think artifacts taken by force ought to be returned, for no other reason than to be amicable. What say you good sir?

@MavMX1987 Absolutely, can't argue with you there.

Where are you from bud?

@car droid Ohio, Usa

@AquaStar cool, glad you enjoy

That’s awesome. If I could go back to college now, I would major in any kind of history.

@Los Lobos Well I went to college when one could still work their way through---which I did. I am probably the LEAST PC person you've ever heard of, but new technologies are proving different theories now. I think this series proves that. The Romans were destroyed by high taxes, and the invasion of the Huns from northern Europe.

@Paula Pacente good for you, however the Romano British were destroyed by the Anglo-Saxons who were invading, it's well documented the famous letter from the emperor telling them to look to their own defenses as he had no troops to send is just a small example. Also the fact that the Welsh are the descendants of these Romano British is also well documented. The presenter ignores these facts like it or not his theory is BS.

@Los Lobos- Believe what you want. I'm in the process of reading my old college textbooks, so if I find something different, I'll let you know. 1972 to 1976 is a LONG time ago. Unfortunately, I can remember those years like yesterday...

In America, we've got lots of stories of giants being unearthed. You can still read newspaper articles from the early 1900s about it. The Smithsonian always came in to do proper research and then nothing was ever seen or talked about again.

@The Raging Platypus Not one of them credible !

Glad you find joy in our rich History...I do too..but have deep concerns for its future. Much love

Don't set to much store by. this very good series . It is very. much Frances Pryor's own view and as such rather biased . I think it has some credence , but he tends to twist things to his own theory and doesn't mention what is probably the most important thing , namely , Anglo Saxon place names and the almost 100% lack of Celtic/ British place names in England.. Yes Bede was writing 200 years after the event , but Frances is writing 1500 years after the event. The Venerable Bede gets my vote.

Or it tells us more about the culture of those currently doing the interpretation. For one example, we are constantly told today that women are oppressed, despite the evidence, so women buried without fancy clothes are thought to belong to a lower-class. However, there have been societies where the more 'pure' you were, the least fanciful stuff you needed, so those women might have been the cream of society. As others point out, there is also the culture of being unable to make a name (or profit) by agreeing with previous people: it is necessary to recreate a new story, even if backed up by as little evidence as the story you are arguing against. Bede was probably largely wrong but that doesn't make this documentary right (though it is interesting).

@Douglas Read Le Morte Darthur’s introduction in the 1894 edition by Sir Edward Strachey. It could have been written yesterday. First section of the introduction after discussing the history of the book is a rebuttal to those who criticize the primitive morality of medieval times like SJWs do of history and culture today. The next part describes what it is the critics don’t understand of that which they mock, christian devotion and chivalry. The critics take what the knighthood built-civilization, moral law, fighting for the oppressed-and throw out the honor, loyalty, politeness, gentleness, courage, christ and the holy role of the Lady in progressing towards heaven on earth while the whole world fights back. They weigh down the knightly ideals of Ladies and Gentlemen by lumping them in with the barbarism of the world they opposed. At the same time they divorce the barbarism of the world from the values and systems inherited from noble men so that they may adopt barbarism and sin without acknowledging the inevitable destruction of all they take for granted. While a system should be understood for its flaws as it is its successes for an analysis to be complete, the ideals of the knight are virtues that are good unto themselves while also tools for greater progress. They uplift the spirit of mankind immediately when practiced while also encouraging systems of governance and society to make better decisions that move us beyond “eye for an eye” perpetual conflict thinking. They are THE system for purifying the spirit of mankind regardless of the imperfections of their wielders.

I totally agree . I was literally crying! Crying my eyes out watching him desecrate the sacred ancient walls of Britain. I can hardly get myself together to type this but I'm donating 1,000 dollars to gofundme and raising money to build fences around the walls so this can't happen ever again.

@Josh Arnold I don't believe you.

Weren't those walls built to be walked upon? Anything that was removable would be gone in the first hundred years. If anything is being kicked off, it is recently acquired dust and plant growth.

@Too young to be old ok ,you got me. I'm actually donating only 500 but crumbling walls are a real passion of mine.

I'm the descendant of immigrant ancestors a couple of generations back, and I myself emigrated. It's lonely but you can still connect to the natural landscape if you get to know it; earth is still your home. My ancestors fled a bad situation looking for the chance at a better life, and I did the same thing. In that sense we're still connected: do your best, try to survive, be gracious and generous, do right by the people in your community, etc. I honor their motivations that way.

Seek solace in Our Lord, His Holy Catholic Church. and His divine mercy and justice. If you are young, take an older person's advice and turn away from the errors of "progress" and the slow perversion of Christian customs and traditions, and orient yourself towards goodness, truth, and beauty in service of our Lord. Then perhaps God will see you fit to marry and reestablish Christendom. You feel isolated and alone because we all are in this global, evil, usurious, greedy system that treats us like cogs in a machine instead of people. We have to reject the revolutionary evils of the Renaissance and every other sensual and prideful period that came after it (Pseudo-Reformation, French Revolution, Communism, etc) and embrace virtue through the Passion of Our Lord. Embrace the cross, it is the only way to amend your life and find comfort in this vallis lacrimarum.

@Kyrie Eleison Leave your proselytizing out of it. Matthew 6:1-6, keep your faith to yourself.

Yes. Also, there may be many abbeys there because the land is property of the church (an allodial holding perhaps?)

It's only "logical" if you have an a priori bias against the Catholic Church as being greedy. Their first and foremost goal was to convert people, and they would not achieve that, particularly an abbey of monks without an army, by taking advantage of the local population and swindling them with tolls. Don't you think that the lords and other land-holders would have revolted against unjust buildings of abbeys if that's what they were doing? Obviously the people there let them build them, and it is illogical to think monks in the abbeys forced people to toss their weapons or pay tolls without a large security force at their disposal.

@Kyrie Eleison An interesting point in this video and about Ireland too is that Catholicism existed in England in pre-Saxon times sans Rome and that, in Ireland, between the time of St Patrick c.400 and the Anglo-Norman invasion 1169, Catholicism sans Rome existed in Ireland too. This invasion of Ireland had the approval of Il Papa as independent Catholicism was not in the interests of Rome. Right now, or at least before Musk and Bezos, the Vatican is the richest bank in the world. So it is greedy. What you're saying about conversion and a soft approach makes sense for political reasons but make no mistake, the Catholic Church is a political organisation. I'm not sure that's what Jesus meant it to be. They're hardly going to convert people by beating them up as kids and other unspeakable things in schools, but that's what they did. Conversely, Ireland was doing fine until the Anglo-Normans turned us to Rome and then after Henry VIII, the English realised their mistake and tried to turn us to London instead. For God's sake of course. Rome doesn't like Gnosticism either because it's too literal, and dealt with adherents of Gnosticism like fury Hell hath no, but they tell us we should take the Bible literally and disowned science when science said "Hang on a minute boss, it would seem that your book is more of a parable as it doesn't seem to reflect the complexities of what really happened." So Rome wants control. Your soft approach doesn't go against that but seeking tolls or church donations in return for easier access to life everlasting is not out of kilter either.

You yanks all have these bizarre ideas based on your own little obsessions.

Still doesn't make what Francis postulates as truth... He might succeed in changing your perseption but that doesn't make his new version of history a reality. I'm not buying it so easily