You are welcome.

... albeit incomplete and inaccurate.

@@GM-cq6ez Thank you just the same.

If only the Hawaiians were left alone with there rich history of cannibalism and human sacrifice...

@@joshcruise2657 Hawaiians literally have no "rich history" of cannibalism and there was human sacrifice (as nearly every culture has at one point or another). But since you don't know which "there" to use (it was THEIR not there) I wouldn't expect you to know anything about what you're talking about. Ps. ancient Hawaiians were so knowledgeable about sustainability and were conscientious of how to sustain MANY generations in advance with irrigation, symbiotic relationships with plants and animals etc that they would likely be able to solve the global climate crisis we're in right now. But please go on about how you assume ancient cultures untouched by conquistadors are all primitive. 🙄 I'll wait.

@@sisterslothington Maikaʻi nō. You wrote so eloquently in response to @Josh Cruise. The ending of the presentation made me smile as the musicians played their instruments (ʻukulele, a Portuguese import). Aloha nō.

@@lrein077 Haha mahalo. ✌ True true, I guess some good came from them then. But hey, ipu/ipu heke is aaaaall us, brada. 😎🤙🏼

@@sisterslothington Did Hawaiians not sacrifice people and animals and cook people to access their bones for rituals? If you are using a computer you have no place virtue signaling about climate change. Next time you need to go to the hospital you should only use techniques from peoples you elevate morally lol

Why are YOU sorry?

@@dpt6849 hence the words 'still prevalent '. This video is about the past though, I'm not commenting on a video about modern day atrocities my country is commiting. My comment pertains to this particular video. No need to act like I am ignorant to my everyday surroundings.

still happening in the name Economic in middle East n Africa

I think the documentary didn't note it anymore because Magellan never reached the Spice Island.

@@zebra.babes123 He did not but his ships did under Elcano. They reached Ternate and Tidore but nutmeg was not grown there. Only cloves.

@@tamaliaalisjahbana6849 You do realize when he mapped circumnavigating around the Earth he followed the ice wall until he got back where he started . No way past ice and didn't fall off the flat earth

@@zebra.babes123 Portuguese traders, led by Francisco Serrão were the first Europeans to arrive in the archipelago in 1512, known today as "Indonesia." Dutch and British traders, interested in nutmeg, cloves, and cubeb pepper in Maluku arrived shortly thereafter. In 1602 the Dutch established the Dutch East India Company (VOC) and became the dominant European power.

Generational trauma is definitely real. That said, the Europeans were in no way uniquely evil. They just got lucky.

Jawab mu bagus👍

The history created by the colony

My wife is from Sangir island. There is a monument there for her great great grandfather was killed by the VOC. I videoed a short clip here. trshow.info/watch/Y-andcp1Ymc/video.html He is King Santiago, he fought the VOC defiantly after refusing to be their puppet king. We have family links on this island still, even after so many of the family did flee the island and sailed south, island hopping for a couple of centuries to hide from the colonisers! We’re currently enjoying ourselves in the wonderful country of Indonesia and loving it so much here!

yes it seems likr he experienced it or witnessing it by his own eyes, maube because that spiritual ceremony he did before he got connected to their ancestors somehow, i dont know

Because that's only the beginning from the 350 years of colonialism, and fun fact New York are built by this island money.

they are not a tribe, that just sounded very colonial and orientalist, these people had kingdome kings and complex social structure.

Haha..he was just overacting. Cringy!

... but remember the source!!!

Thank you!

@@Nyctophora Your English is great! I'm not a chef either, but I find your advice good. I've been using freshly ground nutmeg for forty years now. In dishes like mashed potatoes and bechamel sauce it's essential, and I could probably use it sparingly in a lot more food. I have a small grater (much finer than a cheese grater), just for nutmeg.

Awesome!! Thanks for the tips!! Oh and your English was perfect 👌🏾

Your English is a lot better than a lot of English people I know 😂

@@eskileriksson4457 , yes...yes... mashed potatoes are great with nutmeg ( yummy😋) also cordon bleau flour, KFC style fried chicken (add the nutmeg to the flour) oh so yummy..... But again nutmeg can be overpowering, even some of my friends and family are afraid to use it. But when you found the perfect amount that you can use, it will become essential ingredient in your recipe.

Kindness is often mistaken as weakness. Sad but true.

im dutch myself, and ive known about the voc and spice islands and trade and such, but i didnt know this man, about the massacres and such, all i can say is for the last hundred years we have alot of indonesians migrate here to the netherlands, and we actually fully acepted their culture and foods into our own culture, so dutch and indonesian is like 2 hands on 1 belly now, love the people love the food, and lets not let the passed decide what kind of people we are today right?:)

@@donnygout4558 Generally speaking colonization of already inhabited land is not going to be nice in any way. But I agree you can't try and hold someone born today accountable for the horrible things that people did in the past, nor should you take credit for the accomplishments of others in the same way. In short your story is not written by the people who came before you. The only way this world works is if we learn these things but put them behind us and treat others how you would want to be treated.

I'm sorry that happen bro

Don't worry guys....we let everything in past. Many Indonesian stay in Netherlands and many Dutch stay in Indonesia. We hold no grudges upon what's happened in the past. It's parts of our history.

I was thought about the voc and our slave trading history in lower school in the 80s. So maybe your school didn't teach you.

@@baronvonlimbourgh1716 I remember they did tell us a little bit. But I don't recall the true story about Indonesia. Also, my partner is Moluks. And they never told me in school that the people from the moluccan islands had to come to the Netherlands and didn't have a choice. They had to " stay for two years" and then they could go back. Not allowed to work. But after two years they still weren't allowed to go back (ofc thanks to that I met my partner. So it's a win for me :p )

@@Sink_Bread yeah ok. I did not get all the details, we where still kids. But it was clear to us that we wheren't the friendliest bunch back then. And it was explained that our golden age in the netherlands was because of practices we now concider to be horrible but where socially accepted back then. Our history was never glorified. But it wasn't condemned either. It is just our history, we are not responsible for that ofcourse, but it is still important.

@@baronvonlimbourgh1716 what both you and @Jewels said is heartwarming, yes you are not to be blamed because of what your ancestors did but you should remember it as history. Im Indonesian btw and I can relate to what you feel, because we Indonesians are doing the same to Timor Leste (tho it was smaller case and much shorter time). I havent born yet when Indonesian govt annexed Timor Leste as Indonesian province and barely a toddler when they declared independence. Timor Leste blame Indonesia like Indonesia blame Netherland for what they did to their predessor. Even tho it has nothing to do with me but I wont forget that it ever happened. (Tho what makes it awkward, Timor Leste cannot hate us for long since they life nextdoor and they import anything (like 80%) from Indonesia)

Bullshit. Maybe you weren't listening in class

I wholeheartedly agree with you on that one! So often presenters seem to remain distant from the people and culture they are visiting. Kate Humble is fantastic!!

Wel done Kate, you really connected with those women and that crying man there. Good job, fantastic.

I am Indonesian born but have lived in Europe for over 60 years. It's the first time I came across this beautiful documentary. Thank you.

Salamat pogi Filipina from Indonesia, Mabuhay

Imagine if the English had not lost to control by the Dutch how similar to India's sad history under British control the people of the Dutch East Indies would have ended up!

Thanks for mentioning the books. I am looking for a books with the setting of Indonesia around early colonialism century but from western perspective. If anybody know other books, I am glad to look at it.

a europe centric historian might be define the time of this happened as a golden age.but for many southeast asia historian the time of the european land first time in our land was a start of a very long time massacre and slavery. it fascinates me as an indonesian. I know its just how the world work back then, but the least people could do is acknowledged all of that bad things happened. because I still see some people like doesnt think all of that exist.

@Darren Munsell based

Do feel ashamed of your ancestors, I am from Congo yes my ancestors went trough a lot, we are still going through bad things up till now. Is it only the other race who are bad? Of course not.

@@skididiewskid6549 The time in general is not defined as a Golden Age but only for the Dutch. For the Dutch it was truly a Golden Age and the Asian trade wasn't even the cause of it.

@@5thMilitia without the money that indonesian trade brought to holland, you won't have a golden age, england or France would already conquered yall if you don't have money to built your armada...all the wonderful buildings, road, canals and palaces that are in holland now came from that money.

Spice islands are beyond than spices, even today, it's home of natural resources like Nickel (used to make EV battery), eternal gas offshore, and rich of fishes, if u ever heard troubles happening in that area because it was engineered even geopolitically

Not nearly as sad as India's under British rule. The local people in the Dutch East Indies intermarried, whereas the British did not so much.

@@GM-cq6ez Because the dutch don't have many colonial states as british

yes indeed

I'm surprised nobody removed them. The VOC went bankrupt in the late 18th century. And Indonesia became independent in 1945/49. So why nobody tried to remove them since surprises me.

@@Jack-Hands Yeahhh...i wonder that too...is it because for remembrance of past horrible history ? I just don't get it

Just bring them down please. That was a symbol of your misery and shame

@@massimomassimo5464 no don't bring the symbol down. People would forget the atrocities committed by VOC. Let the symbol become dark reminder of dutch's greed of spices and proof of their sins.

underrated comment. 80% philipine people surely forgot this also

Btw feel like you're everywhere kuya lol, also Spain didn't colonize the entire islands or all the places deep down in the countryside etc

It really is a great mentality to have when approaching archaeology.

Yes i agree...a Great act she puts

Is there a reason why you are screaming?

Same here. What would our culinary palattes be without them?

@@lisapop5219 not every caps expressing that you’re screaming duh

My wife is from Sangir island. There is a monument there her great great grandfather was killed by the VOC. I videoed a short clip here. trshow.info/watch/Y-andcp1Ymc/video.html He is King Santiago, he fought the VOC defiantly after refusing to be their puppet king. We have family links on this island still, even after so many of the family did flee the island and sailed south, island hopping for a couple of centuries to hide from the colonisers! We’re currently enjoying ourselves in the wonderful country of Indonesia and loving it so much here!

i also like how she interacted with people, many interviewers or documentary hosts dont have respectful joy or awe towards living locals. she seemed so friendly and happy to be included, instead of seeing them as just there to give her footage.

Agreed. The presenter being British presented an extremely biased report making it appear as if the Brits were such good guys. The British were always on the heels of the dutch looking for their piece of the pie (S.Africa). The British were equally if not worse brutalists!

Since 2000 years ago, India and Indonesia have traded with each other and were culturally lined. Indian Traders arrived in the 1st Century. Hinduism and Buddhism were next to follow. During the 8th and 9th century, the world’s largest Buddhist complex Borobudur and Prambanan the largest Hindu temple complex in Indonesia were built near Yogyakarta in Central Java. In the 10th Century, students were sent to Nalanda Buddhist University in N.E. India. When Nehru visited Bali he said, "this is the morning of the world".

​@@GM-cq6ez in odisha we celebrate our trade through Bali yatra and kartik purnima

Namaste. Respect & love from Indonesia to India.🇮🇩❤️🇮🇳

My wife is from Sangir island. There is a monument there her great great grandfather was killed by the VOC. I videoed a short clip here. trshow.info/watch/Y-andcp1Ymc/video.html He is King Santiago, he fought the VOC defiantly after refusing to be their puppet king. We have family links on this island still, even after so many of the family did flee the island and sailed south, island hopping for a couple of centuries to hide from the colonisers! We’re currently enjoying ourselves in the wonderful country of Indonesia and loving it so much here!

Pinisi have only been around since 1900, it was not from a native design nor was constructed by the Buginese or the Makassarese. Pinisi is a type of sailing rig (jenis ponton layar) and was made by the konjo tribe of Sulawesi. Do not state things that you don't know out of pride as it will shame yourself and your country. cited; en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pinisi

Most Indonesians really welcomes foreigners warmly. Especially foreigners visiting small regions.

To understand and appreciate the subject much better, read: "The Nutmeg Trail"!

so you guys don't hate the French? xD

@@wewenang5167 no, this was the past. Holding on to hatred serves no purpose .he's right

@@wewenang5167 Hating solves nothing. Beside, it's bad for the heart and mind. It's toxic energy, above all.

Nutmeg, cloves and cinamon ang hinahanap nila Magellan na spices. Bonus na lang ang discovery sa Pilipinas.

It was the reason why most colonizers took ship after Ottoman's blockade. Portugal started the age of Discovery and found it first, in its search, it even destroyed Malacca Sultanate, the biggest power in the archipelago at that time, and occupied Malacca strait and Malay Peninsula, they pretty much hid it after that. Spain wanted to follow the trend. Spice Islands=Moluccas was basically 'India' to the Spanish and Portuguese at the time since it was indian traders who did most of trade with Europe before Ottoman's conquest. Portugal from Indian Ocean, Spain from Pacific Ocean, their goal was the same "Spice Islands", Spain landed in Philippines and couldn't quite get full monopoly to Spice Islands (although they did their fair share of robbings, killings, and hostage situations). The Dutch went for it because of Iberian Union that screwed it over with its spice monopoly. The british followed afterwards but took over the real India instead of 'East India'. The Spice was really the 'gold' of that era. You can argue the reason why Portugal destroyed Malacca Sultanate and Spain colonized the Philippines was because of these islands' existence.

yeah so rare filipino wanted to know

@@skyinuri8868 Our history & cultures were removed by the spanish

Salamat pogi Filipina, Mabuhay from Indonesia

I'm pretty sure they do have their land back? Well, their government has their land.

You are so virtuous.

90% of all people living there where relocated. The massacre killed everyone except 300 souls. In Dutch colonial time people had their own land and had to pay 30% tax. Now they dont have land and have to pay 35% tax. After ww2 the Dutch promised the Banda islands and Mollusks among other their own independen countries, as in the colonial time indonesia wasn't one country it was one colony consisting out of several kingdoms and states. Now it's one big dictatorships. Shouldn't have been one big Indonesia.

@@Hooibeest2D So kinda like the African continent in that way?

All of human civilization is just a story of one group of humans killing one another for land and territory, some go extinct, just look at what monkeys do we aren't any different

Phony!

Yes, I agree. There are Javanese, Melanesians and others

highly likely find it by trying to preserve it. since it's so humid down here all food are at risk of being rancid quickly. we tried to preserve everything. mostly by drying it in the sun. that's probably how we found out the nutmeg is delicious haha

I think they were a woman. But I don't think it was as genius as you suggest. People used to eat any edible plant they could find. Hunger is a strong motivation.

@K. H. I know that people have eaten any edible plant. I was thinking of unknown if it was edible plants and being the first to try it. Then trying to find a way to use it to make it more palatable

what nationalism?

That's called paradoxically logic. So sad.

Betul, hingga saat ini golongan yg di kelas dua masih tetap merasa derajatnya lebih tinggi dari penduduk keturunan ras melayu. Sebagai contohnya bisa didengarkan disaat mereka sedang berkomunikasi dengan penduduk keturunan ras melayu akan terdengar kata seperti "Loe orang".

In what way it is ironic?

Grenada?

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Well the Belgians might surpass that after an estimated 10 million native Congolese died during Congo Free State (1885-1908).

It's hard to imagine how anyone could do that. What psychopaths they were.

@@dshe8637 We're still seeing it today. Look at the way non-human animals are treated. Because they are different from us, we tend to assume they do not think or feel on the same level we do. It is our own failure to understand that they do indeed think and feel similarly to us. Back then, people often regarded different people the same way. And there is strong incentive to suppress empathy, when the party in question has something you want. In each of these cases, and often with non-human animals, people employ cruelty in their pursuit of what the other party has. We are not so different from those cruel and insensitive people back then. We very slowly shift toward the realization that we too are being incredibly cruel. And frankly, there is more cruelty now than there was back then. Factory farming and industrial fishing operations do more cruel deeds than the entirety of human history before us.

without these spices NY would still be call New Holland xd

Do you think he likes nutmeg? LOL I wish I had that kind of enthusiasm about something other than sleep. haha He's a hoot!

He was a character, effervescent and full of life! Love him

It's a matter of where people draw the line on how different another creature is from them. I notice you address cruelty to "fellow people". There is far more cruelty done to non-human animals. Factory farming and industrial fishing far surpass the entirety of human abuses throughout history. Why? Because they have been considered different enough that people chose to value what could be gained from them more than their well-being. The same goes for people of different cultures, races, locations, etc. in the past and present.

also Coffee… hence the birth of Luwak Coffee.

@@vivitow873 yes also the coffee. Did you know that where’s the programming language called JAVA came from? Back in the day, the dutch plants coffee in java island, and these plantation program called ‘koffie-stelsel’, brought it to the europe, and at that time, java coffee became famous across the european, beat the middle east coffee. It’s all started from slavery and colonialism.

Do you understand it’s the very same cat in every single documentary?

The reason because they have trauma , imagine entire family got kill , you have a land but suddenly that land is not urs anymore and you are slave for them , either you obey or you entire family get kill, and some times they got rape after rape and the women usually they rape they kill them .So I can understand why they have sense of that. Especially VOC lingering around about more than 200 years. If you go to Bali that’s different story because island of tourist but even then some of sacred place you need wear proper clothes , if you don’t , do you dare you will not get curse ?🤣. Indonesia has a lot mystic and sacred place , I think a lot evil lingering around because a lot ppl got kill , pagan practice n dark magic, some of island even eat human back then. I don’t know now they still practice that or not in the deep deep deep jungle forest that ppl still not wear clothes. Europe is a continent has a lot countries with modern thinking ppl but some of them still hv attitude and not accept everyone . I guess it is a human natural behaviour just accept they own kind unless you speak their language fluently than you will be accept as they own kind.