Expensive vs Budget Grooveboxes - What I've learned

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Gabe Miller Music

Gabe Miller Music

11 aylar önce

I talk about what I see as the four levels of grooveboxes, from cheap / budget to expensive, which might be best for you, and where I see this niche going in the future.
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badmangambit
badmangambit 11 aylar önce
I have an Akai Force, and I really like it. It was a little intimidating at first, but once I started using it it became pretty intuitive. I can make full tracks on it and master them before I bounce it to my DAW.
Dino Goldie
Dino Goldie 11 aylar önce
Great video. I hope Novation are now hooking you up with the new models. My picks for gear would be as follows... Tier 1: Korg Volca Drum (£150) and Sonicware's Liven 8bit Warps (£200); Tier 2 Novation Circuit/Tracks (£360) or Arturia's MicroFreak (£230) plus a hardware sequencer such as Keystep Pro (£350); Tiers 3/4: Isla Instruments S2400 (approx £1000). They're not out yet but I am eager to get my hands on the forthcoming Novation Circuit Rhythm and the Sonicware Liven X FM (preordered for £200).
Floncy B
Floncy B 11 aylar önce
The deluge is the best groove-box in my opinion. I know that’s not the topic at hand. Your channel is nice and I appreciate the clarity in explaining things.
Max Yakin Bozek
Max Yakin Bozek 10 aylar önce
Agree. The Deluge may be the best groovebox. They only need to hire good graphic designers to make the brand and the design of the displays. The super ugly graphic design makes this great machine being overlooked while comparing with the beautiful hardware of Teenage Engineering, Native instruments, Novation, etc.
Snack
Snack 11 aylar önce
@inf0tr8r polyend only has granular synthesis afaik. Kinda turned me off the polyend and onto the deluge. Deluge does Fm, subtractive, has a modulation matrix type keyboard and is getting wavetables and more. The polyend is probably the better sampler but as arranger synth and midi controller the deulge definitely has the upper hand. That said I own a deluge but a polyend is on my longer list. Chopping shit on the polyend is just insanely fast.
inf0tr8r
inf0tr8r 11 aylar önce
polyend tracker is a better deal and covers just as much if not more ground
Unfinished Ideas
Unfinished Ideas 11 aylar önce
Agree with this comment, but I gotta shout out how Gabe acknowledges how he is kind of overlooking the category. Honestly, cut him some slack, he is also still discovering the wonderful world of Grooveboxes, which is why we all watch this right?
caidicus
caidicus 11 aylar önce
As someone who's used a lot of grooveboxes, my absolute favourite is the MPC Live. The batterylife is great, so it's actually portable, and even as a non-moving device (something you leave plugged in) it's great for the dawless setup as well. I use my MPC Live as the heart of all my hardware synthesizers and it really just can't be beat.
James Aville
James Aville 5 aylar önce
Hey Gabe! Did my homework and I think the right one (for the moment) should be the Novation Circuit Tracks. I already have 3 synths at home and I can take even more out of them with such device. (Novation Ultranova, Behringer Neutron, Uno Synth... Probably a Microfreak anytime soon!) Thanks for this sort of videos. Keep them coming.
alexshdvideo
alexshdvideo 11 aylar önce
Good time to be learning. I wish I was 40 years younger but I think I’ll jump into this. I like the idea of several groove boxes to learn with just to a void the computer, or be working on ideas while the computer is doing something else. I see Novation line has a lot that worked with not only Ableton (that I won’t worry about because of price) but Logic Pro X (cheap $200. GarageBand Pro). What sort of budget grooveboxes to start with that won’t be superseded by new gear or say Logic Pro etc. I will be order a Native Instruments Maschine Mikro because I like working with my midi keyboard with Native INstrumetns Komplete Kontrol. I may choose to go Maschine MK3... but the Mikkro for $250 and looking at screens but not easy sampling.... (haven’t decided on that one yet.. though I hear one can use the Mikro with MK3 at the same time and not be a purchased and stuck with later... don’t know). Anyway I’ll review your recent videos with Roland and Novation grooveboxes.. every time I look there seems to be another new one. I did get a Roland VT-4 that I like a lot. (Voice changing box with live hardware effects).
Doc Bolus
Doc Bolus 11 aylar önce
I kind of like the 'budget' category because it allows you to think about plugging boxes together. Half the fun is getting things to talk to each other. I also like having boxes from different manufacturers because they all have their own flavour, so at the moment I regularly pair a Circuit and a Samples and then choose another box to join them. Finally I like the 'budget' boxes because I have a mind to play live and I think all of them are small enough so you can get a 3 box live rig into a backpack.
Yuri
Yuri 11 aylar önce
I'm trying to buy my first groovebox and ive been unable to decide for a while now. Part of me wants to be cautious and buy a cheaper one like the circuits or mc101, but i also fear i would miss some visual feedback. The bigger ones with a bigger screen are on my watchlist for that reason.. the 707 or mpc one.. maybe a deluge The issue with those is that they jump in price about twofold. Really not sure how i`ll ever decide on this.. but i guess that does save me some money
Josh Puhl
Josh Puhl 11 aylar önce
I think the thumbnail image is great! I am getting to know the Akai Force, which I picked up recently. It isn't a groovebox, but I am connecting with it. It's more of a mobile studio than a groovebox, though. I didn't like the limitations of the cheaper grooveboxes. Thanks for the video!
The Midlife Synthesist
The Midlife Synthesist 11 aylar önce
Awesome video Gabe! It’s definitely a very exciting time to get into dawless✌🏻 Pd: I would recommend you trying out the digitakt, I think you might like it a lot... beware though, elektrons are highly addictive lol, cheers bro!
Ana Kamhi
Ana Kamhi 11 aylar önce
You are a great TRshowr and the info you give is quality! I know one day it will be harder to reply to all our questions 😳Hope your channel keeps growing more and more!
Javier Fernandez
Javier Fernandez 11 aylar önce
Great video, I was blown out when I connected them together in a midi chain. (e2+mc101+circuit)
Geek In Da Kitchen
Geek In Da Kitchen 9 aylar önce
Keep up the good work mate lovin' your channel only found it a few days and I am binging a lot of your videos. Personally the OG circuit in Australia was $699.00 and Circuits Track is 699.00 so I am extremely grateful for the same price , with the MC101 costing $719.00 out here and the MV1 I recently picked up cost me $1300.00
Josh Is Making Music
Josh Is Making Music 11 aylar önce
Great video. Grooveboxes are my favorite medium for music making so I always dig hearing people discuss them.
LCondabeat
LCondabeat 11 aylar önce
I Don't own any but I love to see groove boxes in action!
batninja
batninja 11 aylar önce
The OP-Z could perhaps be in the 2 cat at £450 odd. For those new to grooveboxes (like me) it’s really wonderful.
batninja
batninja 11 aylar önce
You should try one out if you haven’t yet. As a guitarist for me, the OP-Z is more of an musical instrument with musical mode recognition and improvisational aspects, plus no screens (unless you plug one in), no loads of buttons and dials, no menus.
Gabe Miller Music
Gabe Miller Music 11 aylar önce
Yeah it's just a bit more expensive than I arbitrarily made that category, but it looks really cool and isn't *that* much more
Martin Thompson
Martin Thompson 11 aylar önce
Pricing is clearly pretty different here in Australia. I could get the Deluge for considerably less than any of the other grooveboxes in the "kind of expensive" category. Guess that's the "Australia tax" at play. Also kind of convenient that the Deluge comes from just over the pond and arrived very quickly.
milk bath
milk bath 11 aylar önce
Hyped for the Korg Drumlogue and if they update the Electribe. They have come a long way in UI/UX and quality and quantity of synthesis since the Electribe 2.
Sam Anderson
Sam Anderson 11 aylar önce
I would love to see you dive into the mc 707. I was so excited when I found out about the 101, then I saw the 707. Now I'm about to get one.
CartilageHead
CartilageHead 11 aylar önce
what’s your take on more “hybrid” devices like Push 2 or the cheaper, non-standalone Maschine? They’re not quite grooveboxes since they’re tied to a DAW, but let’s be honest, most people are working within arm’s length of a computer with a DAW anyway. I’d also argue that iOS has matured into a groovebox-like experience (Android is too fragmented to really compete in that regard, unfortunately, and lots of great iOS apps don’t come out on Android) at this point. You’ve got people like Hainbach replacing their OP-1s with iPads, and you can certainly make complete tracks entirely in iOS at this point depending on what your budget for software is.
Gabe Miller Music
Gabe Miller Music 11 aylar önce
I think it's great, the more options the better. I've thought about getting a Maschine Mikro mk3, the only thing stopping me is time to actually use it, given how much of a backlog of gear I already am trying to get through. And yeah, seeing iOS music production get to this point is great, the tools have gotten really powerful. It's something I'd like to explore in the future, time permitting.
Alex Buga
Alex Buga 11 aylar önce
I bought a Maschine+ instantly when they launched it because I've been wanting it since I got my Maschine 1. But it is very expensive for what it is. I also retrofitted it with a battery and RipCord cable so if you ignore its size & weight, it's fairly portable. What I hate about it is the quiet inputs. You really have to drive those in order to get a proper signal. same issue as MK3. Other than that I have also an OPZ Which is amazing for what it is. I do wish it had Line In, but you can get around that by sampling via USB from the phone which is also super cool. I'm really excited about the Circuit Rhythm too. The tracks version, I preordered it , but I plan to return it. I just wanna test it.
Alex Buga
Alex Buga 11 aylar önce
@Jbird the sound coming through line in is quiet
Jbird
Jbird 11 aylar önce
What do u mean quiet inputs? I’m kinda newer sorry
Jon Van Houten
Jon Van Houten 11 aylar önce
I just chose to buy a Maschine Mikro mk3 over the new novation circuit. For me it is essentially the full Maschine of you don’t mind having it hooked up to your laptop and using that as the screen rather than having the built in ones. The limitations are almost non existent if you don’t mind clicking on your computer screen sometimes. Also it’s only $270 vs $420 for the Circuit and $650 for the full Maschine. A no-brainer if you ask me.
Gabe Miller Music
Gabe Miller Music 11 aylar önce
That's fair, they're different devices for different use cases. The Circuit is much more performance oriented, the Maschine stuff is more beatmaking/composition oriented. I've definitely thought about getting a Mikro myself, I might pull the trigger on one when I have more time.
TheArithrix
TheArithrix 11 aylar önce
Love that you mentioned the M8. Thats the one I'm looking forward to.
TheArithrix
TheArithrix 11 aylar önce
@Infotoxin I've been on the patreon hanging on every update for the link to order! Looks amazing
Infotoxin
Infotoxin 11 aylar önce
Would recommend, it's ridiculous.
Ruairi O'Kane
Ruairi O'Kane 4 aylar önce
Really great information. I'd like to get a synth/drum machine for my 8 year old, and having used MPCs, and old Electribe groove boxed in the past, think they might be complicate for him to use. I'd like him to have the tactile experience of creating and manipulating sounds and beats with knobs and pads on a stand alone piece of equipment. I like the look of the novation, but would be interested in your view on this, and if you think something in the 'cheap' category would be better! Cheers.
Ruairi O'Kane
Ruairi O'Kane 4 aylar önce
@Gabe Miller Music Thanks for the quick response. I'll check it out. Cheers.
Gabe Miller Music
Gabe Miller Music 4 aylar önce
I usually recommend a Novation Circuit to beginners looking for something budget, and yeah I'd recommend it for a kid to learn on. It's pretty straightforward to learn and has some room to grow into
symbiat
symbiat 11 aylar önce
BTW, I’m in the Patreon group for that tiny tracker you mention, hoping it will be made available to patrons early... 😁
Peet Rungsima
Peet Rungsima 2 aylar önce
Gabe would you say, a really good midi keyboard such Komplete Kontrol can be an alternative to the upper beat station?
adam shatwell
adam shatwell 11 aylar önce
I would like it if you could demo a deluge. I have been a happy circuit user, but can't stop thinking about the deluge, I trust your opinion on these matters
Michael Bath
Michael Bath 11 aylar önce
I've had a deluge since the first "public" sales. It is beyond a groovebox, though that's what category it could fit in. It is essentially a complete DAW in a diminutive, battery powered box. I do not use it for recording onto, though that is one of it's capabilities. Unlimited tracks, unlimited steps, sample editing/playback, fm/subtractive/(soon wavetable synthesis), (soon euclidean sequencing), this is the machine for you. I have never been disappointed with my purchase. It is a sophisticated instrument with ever-expanding capabilities.
Mr Claytron
Mr Claytron 11 aylar önce
@adam shatwell thanks man - just be sure to watch some videos about the Deluge before you decide if you really want one - for me, it's brilliant - but not everyone loves the workflow, so just read and watch as much as you can on it to decide if it looks right for you (I'd hate for you to buy one and then find its not your cup of tea) - but if you do eventually get one, be sure to record some tracks to share with the other Delugers on TRshow :-)
adam shatwell
adam shatwell 11 aylar önce
@Mr Claytron thanks for your very welcome answer. It seems like an amazing machine, the looping function, wavetable, synthesis, sample to oscillator, have just sold it to me. I like to work 'outside the box' as much as possible. That's quite a statement that you say its the most amazing device you've ever owned. Thanks again, for a brilliant reply. Your getting a sub from me 👍😁🎶👌
Mr Claytron
Mr Claytron 11 aylar önce
I think the Deluge is a good step up from the Circuit. If you love grid based sequencing of the circuit, but crave more power and less limitations, the Deluge really takes it to a new level. It's a LOT more complex, but you've got full access to editing the synth engine on the device (supporting subtractive, FM and soon, wavetable). The sampling in Deluge is awesome. The waveform is displayed on the pads like a screen, and you can zoom right in to single cycle level - the device even supports single cycle waveforms assignment to either or both oscillators and has built in effects etc. It does auto pitch detection, and automatically sets the pitch so notes are correct. It's sequencer is probably one of the best available, comparable to dedicated sequencers - a recent update allows zooming and editing up to 6144th notes!!!! (That's not a typo...) So you can record "off the grid", and actually accurately edit it - when you see zoom editing on Deluge, it kind of blows your mind. It's also got full probability based step sequencing too (and the sequencer is only getting better - it's about to get Euclidean sequencing, and multidirectional play per track - which is truly insane). It integrates well with other gear - full DIN MIDI out/in, USB class compliant midi in/out, CV+ gate output + click out. It also runs on rechargable batteries, and is powered by USB or dedicated power supply. You can also configure tracks to work like a looper pedal (yes, you can plug a guitar and MIDI foot pedal, and layer recorded tracks in real time). Oh, and it has UNLIMITED TRACKS - the only limitation being the processor. I've had over 20 tracks of audio and synths, with effects playing without a hiccup. Even playback speeds can go to insane high and low extremes for sound design. It's sampling engine has time stretching per note (like Ableton Simpler), plus multi-sampling, and "drum kits" that offer sample and synth patches from the same "instrument". It's not perfect, but for me, a guy who just freaking loves grooveboxes - why I also love Gabe's channel! (I've had Circuit, Octatrack, Analog Four, Electribe 2, Roland MC-303, Maschine +, Roland JD-Xi and a bunch of other stuff...), the Deluge is honestly the most amazing device I've ever owned - It's expensive (but not super expensive for what it can do), but I think it punches well above its weight. I'm a fan of Maschine + as a super powerful (but overpriced - I'm NOT a fan of the NI tax!) production machine. But looking at the price and features, the Deluge smashes it IMO. Deluge feels nothing like using a computer (also what I love with Circuit) Watch some more Deluge videos (Red Means Recording, Cuckoo, Dolo Jones, Ollie Loops and of course Loopop for in depth review). If you are ok with the price, you are buying a super powerful groovebox work station, capable of full professional tracks, if you put in the time to learn it. I can't recommend this device enough - if you LOVE grooveboxes, Deluge is a dream machine! For me, it is everything I wished the Circuit was - and more.
Gabe Miller Music
Gabe Miller Music 11 aylar önce
I'd love to, it's on my very long list of gear to try. I'm very limited by time these days and I have a backlog of content to finish (including stuff with the Circuit Tracks once that arrives). I'll get there eventually!
Matthew Wilson
Matthew Wilson 11 aylar önce
love these videos, helps me out in my journey to get hardware haha
Captain Wow
Captain Wow 11 aylar önce
I expected this to be a Circuit lovefest. I was wrong. I apologize. My next music purchase will be an MPC One. Yes, it's a groovebox, but I think it's more than that. I love techno above all other beat-heavy music, so I am going to make some on the MPC. But I want to do other stuff, too, that is more ambient, experimental and not so linear. I want to use a sampler as a proper instrument; more than just beats, loops and one-shots. I am hoping I will like the interface and that the MPC will let me do what I want.
Hiren Patel
Hiren Patel 8 aylar önce
I’d say Circuit/Tracks Pro rather than a lite version would be nice. Workflow of Novation but competitive features of ie. Akai/Maschine+ (yes a small screen may be needed).
Troy Orwin
Troy Orwin 11 aylar önce
This is why I've been a staunch follower since the beginning. You are a no bullshit, cut to the chase style guy.
Valley Robot
Valley Robot 11 aylar önce
Here's what I think if you're starting out, anything is good as long as it's affordable for you, I started with a Yamaha qy70 that I paid 75.00 for and a Casio ht700 that cost me 7.00 from a charity shop. I still have it and will never sell it because it's still useful for long train rides. I sold most of my old gear to purchase an MPC one, I did my research before taking the plunge, it had to replace all my old gear and it did it with ease. it's at the higher end in price but when you compare it to the new circuit at its price new, it's not much more to save up for an MPC one, if budget is tight I can not recommend an old Yamaha QY70 enough, if it's sampling you want to do, a used PO33 is the way to go, they sell for about 50 -60 used. use what you have until you get better at it, better gear will not make you a better musician, it never has and it never will.
Alexandre Thomas
Alexandre Thomas 11 aylar önce
I was expecting you to mention the Octatrack MkII in the expensive category.
shaft9000
shaft9000 2 aylar önce
He's overlooking pretty much everything in the upper tier...to not mention or even acknowledge the RS7000 E-mu 2500 or spectralis/Quasimidi or even the wack-ish big old Roland'MC x0x' boxes really pegs this video to novice-level. This video has no working definition of the topic: MPCs have been MIDI+sampling throughout their existence and not tied to a grid. "Sorta" grooveboxes, at best. And people mentioning things like Deluge - that are evolutions of the monome and Live: a clip launch+MIDI paradigm. Again - at best, 'sorta' grooveboxes but not the goal there, either.
Robert Syrett
Robert Syrett 6 aylar önce
I think he remains unenlightened about "the Elekton workflow."
Nikos Quattro
Nikos Quattro 11 aylar önce
I have one question please. How do you record both audio and video with the circuit? I struggle with it very long time, and i would be very happy if you could help me🥺🥺
Gabe Miller Music
Gabe Miller Music 11 aylar önce
I record them separately (my camera and then I record the audio into my DAW with an audio interface). I sync then up after the fact... I'll hit a pad at the beginning of the video, then look for where that and the first audio hit of the recording line up.
Postie
Postie 6 aylar önce
Good day, kind sir! I'd like to ask a question, if you don't mind. I've been using DAWs for like eternity and i wonder how do you mix songs from grooveboxes? You record stems one by one, bring them into your daw and mix? Or you use internal effects for that?
Postie
Postie 6 aylar önce
@Gabe Miller Music thank you!
Gabe Miller Music
Gabe Miller Music 6 aylar önce
It depends on the groovebox. The Roland MC-101, Korg Electribe 2, and a bunch of the more expensive ones have ways to export or record multiple tracks. For others, like the Circuit, you would need to mute and unmute stuff to record each track one at a time. It's totally doable, but kind of a pain, so I rarely do it myself.
Sodium King
Sodium King 11 aylar önce
You still need to try the MPC One!
His Chuzzness
His Chuzzness 8 aylar önce
@chareslamb87 The Akai MPC was broken 3 days after I bought it true that so got a refund and bought a Roland MC 707 charles if youre on a budget go for the Tracks a friend has one and he loves it.
chareslamb87
chareslamb87 8 aylar önce
@His Chuzzness what route did you go and why?
chareslamb87
chareslamb87 8 aylar önce
@LaymensLament can you please compare the MPC one vs Circuit tracks? Looking at getting my first groovebox to get away from my computer. I do have a synth I'd like to run into it
symbiat
symbiat 11 aylar önce
I bought the MC-101 and loved the portability but it has its own limitations. I have since graduated to an MPC Live II (I wanted to keep things portable - though it is kinda heavy) and is probably the most capable in terms of building complete tracks. It also has the most connectivity and the most expandability. It can serve as the central “brain” of your setup, playing some tracks and sequencing other gear.
His Chuzzness
His Chuzzness 11 aylar önce
I am all a tither MPC One or Roland Verselab making a purchase next week so time to decide, may even go Circuit tracks but probably need more versatility.
fat beats kev
fat beats kev 11 aylar önce
I would love to hear how you feel about the elektron digitak! you often leave that device out of the conversation
fat beats kev
fat beats kev 11 aylar önce
@Gabe Miller Music hey thanks for you opinion man much appreciated. i find the sample organization or lack of to be very frustrating and just the fact that you cant really store "kits" to be a little bit of a miss. i love the sequencer paramater locks though and the control all function!
Gabe Miller Music
Gabe Miller Music 11 aylar önce
I don't have anything against it, but yeah it would be slightly redundant in my current setup, and I just don't find the feature set as appealing as some other samplers out there. Also, I just think the Digitone seems neat and would be an interesting change from the kind of stuff I normally use.
fat beats kev
fat beats kev 11 aylar önce
​@Gabe Miller Music just curious what dont you like about the digitakt? no shade or anything i have one and i have my opinions on it (some great and some annoyances). I want to get something else im considering getting digitone to finish off the combo or completely switching directions for a whole new work flow but im just curious your opinion if you have one specific reason it doesnt get mentioned much. im sure it would be redundant for you to own one with all the other boxes you do have. Thank you!
Gabe Miller Music
Gabe Miller Music 11 aylar önce
Yeah I'd definitely like to give more Elektron stuff a go in the future. I'm more interested in the Digitone than the Digitakt, but I'm sure either would be dope.
B F
B F 11 aylar önce
I'm picking up one of the new Circuit Tracks and I want to be able to mess around with it while on the go, like during a lunch break or something like that. Anyone have a suggestion for a case or bag to keep it from getting banged up?
Jay Greer
Jay Greer 11 aylar önce
Here’s the case I use for the original circuit: Gator Cases Mixer Case (G-MIXERBAG-0909). For me, it works great and will even fit cables and some small accessories in addition to the circuit without being bulky. The dimensions of the new circuit tracks appear to be similar, so my guess is this case should work fine with it.
Gabe Miller Music
Gabe Miller Music 11 aylar önce
I just got some cases from Analog Cases, I'm going to do a video on then soon and give a review.
mitechko
mitechko 11 aylar önce
I wonder why Elektron Digitone doesn't get mentioned. It seems to have all the features of a groovebox, a synth, a sequencer, mixer, external hardware support etc. Doesn't have a sampler, but is it a hard requirement?
L.A. Beltran Music
L.A. Beltran Music 11 aylar önce
The fact that you continue to plug Novation products, after they snubbed you on the new circuit, makes you a better man than me. I bought a circuit because of you, and while I really want the new one, I wont buy it until Novation sends you one, along with an apology. You are the godfather of circuit as far as we are concerned. Keep Grinding brotha.
ruinerhalo
ruinerhalo 11 aylar önce
Snubbed how
Gabe Miller Music
Gabe Miller Music 11 aylar önce
I appreciate that. To be fair to Novation, they did tell me about the launch a long time in advance, which allowed me to be one of the first to cover it. They express shipped me a unit as soon as they had it, I've got a video ready for tomorrow.
Hednod’s Flying Oscillator Circus
Hednod’s Flying Oscillator Circus 11 aylar önce
Toy : Every synth I own. Some were very expensive, but still my toys. Toys : the funnest ones, usually cheap but have a great sound. Play to play! It’s your kit, get what you want and can afford.
AllaMortify
AllaMortify 9 aylar önce
Are the lower end grooveboxes (Circuit etc) more for say jamming than actual production then? Looking at the Circuit Tracks videos seems to suggest that it's pretty intuitive to use and just pick up and run with compared to even the slightly more pricey offerings like the MPC One mentioned in the comments which for all it's added features (Sampling, the new drum synth etc) looks way more serious and complicated to operate and really only for those who know what they're doing, not casual users looking to while away some time doing some musically creative stress relieving.
Gabe Miller Music
Gabe Miller Music 9 aylar önce
That's definitely true to a degree, although I would say don't underestimate the production capabilities of less expensive grooveboxes, and don't overestimate the difficulty of more expensive grooveboxes.
N B
N B 2 aylar önce
Anecdote: There is a famous filmmaker who makes all her films with old video cameras and very little editing. Another filmmaker known in the high art world creates with, literally, only toy cameras. Context, capability, construction, & connection, (feel, aesthetics, etc.) all have to be considered. They easily become interchangeable depending on the person when considering the word “toy” to describe a piece of gear. The word “toy” has become, unjustly, a derogatory term.
Buscando la Verdad
Buscando la Verdad 11 aylar önce
MpcOne not recommend for ableton users. But is really amazing for ppl looking for all in one solution And in a budget. Or a laptop and maschine mk2
Tek Rah
Tek Rah 10 aylar önce
Hi Gabe, since you are working on a video for the Machine+...i was going to get one but after i have seen another video...with 4gigs of ram, it show that after your load just 2 plugins the CPU is already max out...please check that out and looking forward to that review...prob they are already working on Machine+ 2 with at least 16RAM, thanks
Radek Pilich
Radek Pilich 11 aylar önce
You are missing the arguably most interesting "grooveboxes" which are the Elektron boxes, whether the Digi series or even the flagships.
shaft9000
shaft9000 2 aylar önce
His entire 'expensive' selection makes no sense, either. MPCs are MIDI sequencers and samplers first, not x0x grid-based.
Aaron Dunlap
Aaron Dunlap 10 aylar önce
@Gabe Miller Music I find myself eyeing The Polyend Tracker, it’s hard to come by in Canada 😔
T
T 11 aylar önce
Yeah, these are around $1050 CAD now in Canada. I've never used one, but I just don't see how that can be a good value proposition at this point.
raysubject
raysubject 11 aylar önce
@Gabe Miller Music beware of purchasing Digitakt or especially Digitone - you may end as total Electron addict and all your other boxes will turn to dust catchers :-)))) It happened to me !!! 😂🤣🤪
GraemeMarkMusic
GraemeMarkMusic 11 aylar önce
Well you have to leave some space for the commenters ;)
Snack
Snack 11 aylar önce
You should try the Deluge some day. Its a circuit on steroids.
nsbd90now
nsbd90now 11 aylar önce
You are so well spoken I subscribed.
FormatWarsBand
FormatWarsBand 11 aylar önce
A personal lesson I learned... I spent many years looking for the “all in one” groovebox/production station, beginning with an MPC. Now if the idea is to release top notch sounding music, the ‘master bus’ on these devices never seems to have the finished sound. I’ve been much happier since adding a mixer and external effects to get a finished sound. As a groovebox user, you may need to have a strategy to process the output, whether that be in a DAW or some external studio gear. On a budget you may not need to own this other processing gear. Find someone who has it or use software. What do you think Gabe?
Johnny Haag
Johnny Haag 11 aylar önce
Elektron ! Hands down Amazing!!
Jack Long
Jack Long 8 aylar önce
Crap, I have one in each category now... I need to watch the video about “you don’t need new gear” again.
Dio Sancho
Dio Sancho 10 aylar önce
Would you be able to suggest one for a blind user above the beginner level
Tim Bedard
Tim Bedard 10 aylar önce
I know they're mostly above your spending comfort level, but you didn't mention Elektron at all! Of all the grooveboxes out there, I see Elektron gear the most. Especially at gigs. The Octatrack and/or Digitakt are the heart of many, many musicians' setups. Some folks think of them as the holy grain of grooveboxes. I wouldn't go that far, but they are pretty amazing machines. You might really like the Digitakt/Digitone or the Models units.
Stu Mason
Stu Mason 4 aylar önce
Didn't he mention Model Samples?
bovgae
bovgae 9 aylar önce
Did you ever talk about the electribe sampler 2 in a video ?
Game Brou
Game Brou 11 aylar önce
Gabe, I would love to see your take on the IOS ecosystem. It’s versatile, sounds professional and its very portable! Maybe you’re a Android guy, but... Just think about it. ;-)
Game Brou
Game Brou 11 aylar önce
@Gabe Miller Music You’ll never regret. I have an Ipad pro and its a m a z i n g! It has that music concept I know you love and share. “Make music everywhere!”
Gabe Miller Music
Gabe Miller Music 11 aylar önce
I'd definitely like to give iPad music production a go, especially to use Andrew Huang's app and maybe try iMaschine and some classic synth emulations. I should probably just try to borrow an ipad for a week and try out a bunch of this stuff at some point.
Dreadful_Name
Dreadful_Name 5 aylar önce
You’re only 23?! Dude you’re doing so well!
Nick Kluefer
Nick Kluefer 8 aylar önce
How about a video on how you got companies to demo gear?
Gabe Miller Music
Gabe Miller Music 8 aylar önce
I did a video when I hit 20k subscribers about what I learned over the course of growing a channel, all that stuff still applies. Usually, reaching out to a company hasn't worked for me, they have to like the content and the audience size first. That just takes time, consistency, and constant course correction to get to. Although I'd start a channel for the love of the TRshow video as a medium FIRST... It was years before companies hit me up to send me gear. And having tried as many devices as I have isn't even close to necessary. If I was just making music and not running a gear focused channel, I'd probably own only two or three of the devices I click with the most.
BIG1TOWER
BIG1TOWER 11 aylar önce
Awesome channel and topic Gabe
Ian Tindale
Ian Tindale 11 aylar önce
You’re getting a lot of plosives coming through on the mic. Not always, but there’s times where it increases noticeably. At those times the proximity effect increases the bass too much so I’d say it’s simply getting too close on occasion. I don’t think a pop filter would help, it’s just distance. The mic is already off-axis to your mouth so that’s good, it’s prob just a touch too close. Or something.
Ian Tindale
Ian Tindale 11 aylar önce
@Gabe Miller Music The rule I use personally in mic placement is stretch your thumb and your pinkie apart, that's about how far your mic should be from your mouth
Gabe Miller Music
Gabe Miller Music 11 aylar önce
Yeah I'm still testing setups as I go, I've backed off the mic in subsequent filming sessions
Groupon SPEAM
Groupon SPEAM 2 aylar önce
OP-Z is the king of groove box around 600 bucks. Yep, not doubt, from every aspect (excl. build quality)
SBN RESONATE
SBN RESONATE 11 aylar önce
Listen to Gabe Miller here, because he knows what he is talking about on this topic. I would go right for the "kind of expensive" one's, and learn one of them inside and out. You will be way better off overtime, and it will definitely pay off. I have an MPC One on the way soon, and I cannot wait, because it's really on then, because I can do everything stand alone for real...SBN RESONATE
Joe Schmoe
Joe Schmoe 4 aylar önce
Totally new to this stuff. So...how do I get the sound out? Do I need a computer? Or just some kind of small PA?
Joe Schmoe
Joe Schmoe 4 aylar önce
@Gabe Miller Music awesome. Listening now
Gabe Miller Music
Gabe Miller Music 4 aylar önce
Just posted a video about this today, at least for recording/exporting sound. To listen, all you need is a pair of headphones or speakers. The point of devices like this is that they're self contained, so you don't need to connect them to a computer (other than to load sounds onto them)
Caramel
Caramel 10 aylar önce
Levels in a nutshell: Level 1 - "cheap" Level 2 - budget Level 3 - kind of expensive? Level 4 - HELLA SPENSIVE
vertigev
vertigev 11 aylar önce
The Deluge ❤️❤️❤️
bartjanc
bartjanc 8 aylar önce
Yup, beat all the other ones in the list. Song/arrengement mode, looper, portable, intuitive to use, updated all the time, etc. etc.
Jack Long
Jack Long 8 aylar önce
Yes.
Jarah
Jarah 11 aylar önce
This is really good thanks
R TV
R TV 11 aylar önce
Not mentioning digitakt and digitone in the 1,000 budget ? first video of yours that I find very incomplete, still love the channel
Patchworks Media
Patchworks Media 11 aylar önce
Do you know of a groove box that I could write and produce an entire song on from start to finish. I was interested in the Roland MC707 but someone commented that you can’t write an entire song on it but you’d have to change the pattern on the fly.
shaft9000
shaft9000 2 aylar önce
You can write an entire song on any groovebox that has an 'arranger' or 'song' function. e.g. EM-1 for a couple hundred bucks. E-mu Command Station. Be aware that most of the newer units LACK this feature, though. Progress does not always mean _improvement._
ArcAudios
ArcAudios 10 aylar önce
The MC-707 has Song Mode so it's easily capable of full Song Production just like the MC-505 from 1998. Pattern movement is seamless on the 707 & 505.
Gabe Miller Music
Gabe Miller Music 11 aylar önce
Not yet, hopefully soon!
Patchworks Media
Patchworks Media 11 aylar önce
@Gabe Miller Music thats exactly what someone else has just said. Have you tried it?
Gabe Miller Music
Gabe Miller Music 11 aylar önce
The Roland Verselab MV-1 might be exactly what you're looking for.
WetWork
WetWork 11 aylar önce
“Circuit lite” or simply just keep the original in circulation? A little disappointed that Novation isn’t keeping it in production.
Gabe Miller Music
Gabe Miller Music 11 aylar önce
Yeah same, although I understand why. I've got a video that touches on that very topic coming tomorrow.
Cool Ukulele
Cool Ukulele Aylar önce
Hello, if you can help, I play Bass, Acoustic and Electric guitar. To do music, with record parts from the instruments and create music, what the best choise, novation tracks, rithm, or buy a used novation circuit? Thanks
Sykrom Smile
Sykrom Smile 10 aylar önce
Great video
Stranded Aliens - The Band
Stranded Aliens - The Band 11 aylar önce
If you would like, I would be willing to let you use my Orba for a review video. Let me know what you think of the idea...
Stranded Aliens - The Band
Stranded Aliens - The Band 11 aylar önce
@Gabe Miller Music I thought about keeping it for around campfire hang outside and running it through a portable speakers, letting someone play some drums on it while I played Cigar Box Guitar. But... ehh...
Gabe Miller Music
Gabe Miller Music 11 aylar önce
Interesting that you say that, I actually think it's really impressive on a technical level, but has a ways to go to be properly useful for everyday situations.
Stranded Aliens - The Band
Stranded Aliens - The Band 11 aylar önce
@Gabe Miller Music cool. I'm not impressed with it and plan to sell mine
Gabe Miller Music
Gabe Miller Music 11 aylar önce
I appreciate it, although I already have one and am slowly working on a review.
Mik G
Mik G 11 aylar önce
Thanks for mid category real support ! )
EgoTherapie Lee
EgoTherapie Lee 11 aylar önce
get two electribes and sky is the limit ;D
Joshua Brumley
Joshua Brumley 11 aylar önce
The "Budget" Grooveboxes are starting to sound like guitar brands like Squier (by Fender) and Epiphone (by Gibson). They are the "budget" lines of their respective guitar companies, but have become very good, and pricey, in their own right.
koskey06
koskey06 5 aylar önce
Buy a 8 year old or newer laptop for at or under $100.....buy any midi controler.....boom! You have any and every sound you want and can do what everyou want
Paul Alyx
Paul Alyx 11 aylar önce
Surprised 1010 music blackbox didn't make the lower end of the "kind of expensive" category
KaoticShock
KaoticShock 11 aylar önce
Decent overview but definitely biased and not enough details about each groovebox and also missing some major players. In the "Expensive" category, you didn't even mention the MPC Live which is arguably the best standalone groovebox since 2017. The Pioneer Toraiz SP-16, Octatrack, digitakt, and Analog RYTM all deserve a mention when bringing up grooveboxes, even if you haven't used them or had any experience with them. Also disappointing that you didn't go into more details about the "kind-of expensive" category, which really has the most features and can in some ways do more than the "expensive" grooveboxes. Finally, I have to take this review with a grain of salt because there is no mention of style or genre, or what type of music you make, so that also contributes into why you chose one over the other. Ultimately, I hope you get to try more grooveboxes and do more research so you can make a more comprehensive video.
Dan Preston
Dan Preston 11 aylar önce
The Rytm is a drum machine. Not a groovebox. Much like the digitakt is.
Gabe Miller Music
Gabe Miller Music 11 aylar önce
I definitely understand where you're coming from, Elektron is definitely one of my blind spots. Note that this is not meant to be an exhaustive list, but more of a general overview with some specific examples to provide context to each category. It's definitely colored by which stuff I have and haven't used, but I did my best to be fair. And I did mention that "kind of expensive" grooveboxes are going to be best for most people, and buying into really expensive ones gets you an ecosystem but not always more features. And it's a general observation and not a hard and fast rule.
MD
MD 11 aylar önce
0:35 The only "shifting" I want to see at the moment is a shift to grooveboxes for musicians whose understanding of the breadth of available time signatures extends beyond those of the elementary school classroom Fisher-Price xylophone "jams". Rant over. Please continue.
MichaelY
MichaelY 11 aylar önce
Have you ever tried elektron gear?
MichaelY
MichaelY 11 aylar önce
@Gabe Miller Music id be curious how you'd like the more traditional workflow of the digitakt or analog rytm. Start a Kickstarter to fund a synth binge! 😁
Gabe Miller Music
Gabe Miller Music 11 aylar önce
The only piece of Elektron gear I've used is the Model:Cycles, which I do like a lot, I've made multiple videos with it.
Buscando la Verdad
Buscando la Verdad 11 aylar önce
Also I found an mv8800for 300$ :)
SBN RESONATE
SBN RESONATE 11 aylar önce
If everyone wants my honest recommendation on this topic, because I have owned many cheaper synth/drum machines before, and still own them, but if I was you, and I was serious about this thing, then I would go right for something around a 1000 dollars or a bit cheaper. I would not get something under 500 dollars if you are serious about going stand alone. I own a Roland JD-XI, and I am doing some really great music with it, but I have been using it and these other "cheaper" "budget friendly" synth/drum machines since 2000, so I know alot about them. I would not recommend anything less than, or cheaper than the Roland JD-XI, if you are being serious about making music. The Electribe 2 isn't so bad, and I own the gray version myself, but it's just not enough to get really serious with. There's only global effects, and the overall sounds are pretty mediocre, but you can make it work if you really desire to, because I do, but it's all up to you to make it something...SBN RESONATE
inf0tr8r
inf0tr8r 11 aylar önce
P o l y e n d T r a c k er
Mark Evans
Mark Evans 11 aylar önce
MV1 is not a groove box. It's a start to finish music solution.
shaft9000
shaft9000 2 aylar önce
This video is all sorts of confused about instrument categories. Much like the majority of the internet...
Brian McCalla
Brian McCalla 11 aylar önce
Check out the older Roland MV-80x0 series. Best $400 ish you'll ever spend on used gear.
john gudgeon
john gudgeon 11 aylar önce
gods.. when I was 23, I got by, by just grunting at people. umm, I think I still do...
AwwManImDude
AwwManImDude 6 aylar önce
~S H I F T I N G~
Herr AR
Herr AR 11 aylar önce
So digitone ain't a groovebox?
Tek Rah
Tek Rah 10 aylar önce
@Herr AR sold it...not that good or fun as others like the MC707
Herr AR
Herr AR 11 aylar önce
@Gabe Miller Music Yeah, there is so much stuff out there, you can´t list it all. but to me the digitone is the first thing I think of, really want that thing
Gabe Miller Music
Gabe Miller Music 11 aylar önce
It definitely is, although I've seen it put more in the synth category. To be honest, the only reason I didn't mention it is because it wasn't top of mind. I mainly mentioned grooveboxes as examples, and this wasn't meant to be an exhaustive list.
André Quaresma
André Quaresma 11 aylar önce
Hi, Gabe. What's your opinion on the Roland verselab mv-1? And where does it fit in a setup? I've checked many videos but most of them focus on hip hop and not electronic music.
André Quaresma
André Quaresma 11 aylar önce
I will wait for your video though :)
André Quaresma
André Quaresma 11 aylar önce
@Gabe Miller Music yes. I'm really thinking about buying one but I'm waiting for more videos mainly focused on electronic music. Or I could just load the zencore engine into the new circuit :)
Gabe Miller Music
Gabe Miller Music 11 aylar önce
I'm hoping to give one a go very soon, but in my mind, a lot of the hip hop stuff will translate well to electronic stuff. It's definitely got the synth engine, layers, and DAWlike setup to accommodate that.
rogutz 31
rogutz 31 11 aylar önce
u should check out the polyend tracker
Gabe Miller Music
Gabe Miller Music 11 aylar önce
It's on my list of gear to try, I'd definitely like to give it a go when I have the time
Misty Music Studio
Misty Music Studio 4 aylar önce
Thumbs up number 666, huzzah! Excellent rundown ^_^
raysubject
raysubject 11 aylar önce
1:50 actually ALL music gear is toys :-) we are big kids a d we are buying toys to plays with them... othing wrong on admitting that :-)))
shaft9000
shaft9000 2 aylar önce
so by definition any instrument = toy including Stradavarius and Steinberg grand mmm-Kay....
Gabe Miller Music
Gabe Miller Music 11 aylar önce
Yeah fair, I definitely think that way too. I'm more pushing back on some of the gatekeeping I see around less expensive gear.
Austin Johnson
Austin Johnson 11 aylar önce
Tier 5 - Modular
Recycology
Recycology 11 aylar önce
I'd pay $49.99 for an iphone/ipad circuit app seriously
prototype9000
prototype9000 5 aylar önce
Everyone forgets polyend tracker
Gabe Miller Music
Gabe Miller Music 5 aylar önce
I may or may not be slowly working on a video on that very device....
Shantel Makes Stuff
Shantel Makes Stuff 11 aylar önce
ooh, I didnt realize we're the same age!
davide grotto
davide grotto 4 aylar önce
Grazie from italy !
Robert Syrett
Robert Syrett 6 aylar önce
You seem to have omitted all Elektron products. Why do you hate Elektron? Elektron groovebox is best groovebox. ;-)
Gabe Miller Music
Gabe Miller Music 6 aylar önce
Haha all good. Digitakt is on my list of gear to try, I'll hopefully get around to it one of these days!
Robert Syrett
Robert Syrett 6 aylar önce
@Gabe Miller Music I'm being a bit tongue and cheek here, since Bo Beats sent me and he is such a huge Elektron fanboy. Seriously though, the Digitakt is is so straight-forward and immediate that it represents the apex of elektron design. I would encourage you to try it, and overbridge, on for size.
Gabe Miller Music
Gabe Miller Music 6 aylar önce
I don't hate Elektron at all, I own a Model Cycles and like it a lot. I will admit it's a bit of a blind spot though that I haven't had the time to remedy. But also note that I brought up various grooveboxes as examples only, and the video's not meant to be an exhaustive list.
Koss Billingham
Koss Billingham 11 aylar önce
Elon Musk better make Neuralink MPE compatible
Gabe Miller Music
Gabe Miller Music 11 aylar önce
Lol. It's not the future until we can control wubs with our brains
Crazy Monarch
Crazy Monarch 11 aylar önce
Ableton or Logic/Apple need to jump in the ring. As kings of music production they must be working on something because this market is exploding.
G. Devan Smith
G. Devan Smith 11 aylar önce
Volca Sample, And K.O.... really!?
XN-TriQ
XN-TriQ 11 aylar önce
Polyend Tracker has the biggest bang for your Buck! FACT!
XN-TriQ
XN-TriQ 10 aylar önce
@Jeremy Jurksztowicz Really, I've been fine so far, fingers crossed! but I am a casual user, I'll make sure to back up often after hearing this.
Jeremy Jurksztowicz
Jeremy Jurksztowicz 10 aylar önce
Polyend tracker is amazing, but I can't use mine anymore, too buggy. I lost days of work twice already. I really hope they fix their code because they have a winning formula, it just needs more quality control.
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