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Dan
Dan 4 aylar önce
@taro root j
Marianne Monagle
Marianne Monagle 7 aylar önce
Ron h
Doahnkea Tuber
Doahnkea Tuber 9 aylar önce
Oops, I started watching this video with the impression it would focus on "The Psychological Torture Of The Victorian Workhouse" I was mistaken.
8 of Wands
8 of Wands 9 aylar önce
@taro root wrong. He established homes for young women and financed training, and in some cases their immigration to North America.
taro root
taro root 10 aylar önce
Dickens was a reporter he didn't do anything about it.
Alexandra van Veen
Alexandra van Veen Yıl önce
It is so infuriating that men had no social responsibility for the children they fathered. They could just walk away and avoid any sort of embarrassment but women were instead publicly shamed and punished for the rest of their lives. Disgusting.
Kerala Sha
Kerala Sha 11 gün önce
@Desi Q Girl chose better, we’re not trying to hear that
0reaver01
0reaver01 22 gün önce
if you know your girl friend or wife been cheating on you with somebody else and shes pregnant you 100 percent know thats not your baby your not going to pay and raise someone elses child. cheating on somebody dont care if your a man or woman is the ultimate betrayal and worse thing you can do to somebody when you do finally get caught you deserve everything you get when they do throw you out.
Dustin R
Dustin R Aylar önce
Only because they could be positive of who the mother was. If they could be positive of who the father was best believe they would have been held to account
Hecate's Wolf
Hecate's Wolf Aylar önce
I agree although this shit still happens today. A guy who has lots of kids is seen as hell of a boy, whilst a woman abandoned to bring up the fatherless kids is a dirty slag. Too many scum men who walk away from their kids still around.
Don Whaley
Don Whaley Aylar önce
Just like today
Bink Bonk
Bink Bonk Yıl önce
Think about how many children, disabled people, and sexual assault survivors were victims of this system. Absolutely horrible. This must’ve caused a lot of intergenerational trauma.
0reaver01
0reaver01 22 gün önce
the government or people today shouldn't be held accountable because your ancestors were bums and didnt want to work. they lucky they got a work house its natural selection all through out history the strong fit and healthy people who could look after them selves survived whiles the wretches and needy people died out its only in the last 200 years humans have been interfering with that process. if these people or anyone here was alive lets say 1600s even 1700s you would of had no choice to work keep active keep strong keep moving you would of been left to die its natural selection only the strong fit and healthy gets rewarded with life.
Mountain boy Oakley
Mountain boy Oakley 2 aylar önce
@Katie K Canadian government told the British government DO not come too Canada but they came anyway, letting Canada take the blame.
Mountain boy Oakley
Mountain boy Oakley 2 aylar önce
Not too mention dead native kids in Canada.
Mike E
Mike E 6 aylar önce
@Emma Philo DO YOU KNOW THAT HAPPENED TO HER FOR A FACT? OR IS IT JUST WHAT YOU WANT TO BELIEVE?
Emma Philo
Emma Philo 6 aylar önce
@Mike E how about she got raped /abused and got pregnant from it 🤷‍♀️🤦‍♀️
Patricia Scott
Patricia Scott Yıl önce
How do we not know that some of these pregnant women who were shunned and sent to the work house to give birth because of an extramarital affair weren’t actually victims of rape?
Joondalup Arts
Joondalup Arts 2 aylar önce
Right? Maybe there was something else going on there. It is PURE speculation that there was an affair. How could someone just jump to that conclusion without knowing MORE about Mary's attitude? Was she KNOWN by the family for being promiscuous or a flirt??? Badly done.
Red River Rebel
Red River Rebel 2 aylar önce
Some probably were but be aware of bashing the Victorians too hard. The punishment for rape in Victorian times was the death penalty. So if you were raped back then your rapist would swing from the gallows instead of today where he probably will serve less than 10 years in prison.
Sarah
Sarah 2 aylar önce
Exactly. And the stigma of having an illegitimate child pushes the women into greater vulnerability for abuse. The trauma can also cause them to have an unhealthy understanding of sex that could lead to risky behaviors.
Gayle Keast
Gayle Keast 4 aylar önce
It is much easier for some people to write using all caps. It’s probably best not to judge. Just read it without feeling the need to correct someone. That is just mean as well as very rude.
KK and sims 4
KK and sims 4 5 aylar önce
Wasn’t it like way way worse tho if you where an unwed Irish mother like sure England was shitty but least I think k you had some choice to Go or not but I read a book about Ireland and some crazy nuns and babies and mothers and men just pretty much getting away with anything .
Jehana 1
Jehana 1 10 aylar önce
Listening to Mary's story has made my great, great grandmother Mary Ellen seem even more remarkable to me - when my grandmother died four years ago, we found legal paperwork that referred to a court case that was brought by Mary Ellen back in 1902. Mary Ellen had an illegitimate daughter, and not only did she keep her daughter, but she actually took the father of her child to court for maintenance for her and won her case. She must have been an amazingly brave woman.
Taylor Anderson
Taylor Anderson 7 aylar önce
Listening to Mary story has made my great, and great grandmother Mary Ellen seem even more remarkable to me when my grandmother died 4 years ago we found legal papers that reference to court case that was brought by Mary Ellen back in 1902. Mary Ellen had ligament daughter, and actually took the father of her child to court for matintenance for her and won her Case. She must been an amazingly brave woman.
Taylor Anderson
Taylor Anderson 7 aylar önce
Listening to Mary's story has made my great, great grandmother Mary Ellen seem even more remarkable to me when my grandfather died 4 years ago we found legal papers that referred to a court case that was bought by Mary Ellen back in 1902. Mary Ellen had an liegmate daughter, and not only did she keep her daughter, but she actually took the father of child to court for maintenance for her and won her Case. She must have been an amazingly brave woman.
CAC
CAC 7 aylar önce
@yeet nama take that B.S on. Idc your thoughts or religious P.O.V, don’t t try to cast no shame on a child ( God’s purest gift) when most children in single parent homes are better off than children that comes from a home with two parents.
KAM KAM
KAM KAM 9 aylar önce
Incredible!! I watched this with my son here in Texas, U S A. I felt emotionally in tatters. I'm so happy you shared your story of Ms Ellen, that she indeed stood her ground and did not give up. Amazing love of a mother ♥️ Thank you and best wishes to you and yours. Kimberly A McCain
blackcatsarecool
blackcatsarecool 10 aylar önce
@Jesus is coming. Read the Gospel. oh do shut up!
jennifer McDonald
jennifer McDonald Yıl önce
As always, the women and children suffer for their entire life, while the men involved, simply go on with their normal lives. There is absolutely no shame or embarrassment associated with their behaviour, it was ALL on the women’s shoulders! So incredibly wrong!
Santor
Santor 2 aylar önce
@Hannah T Its YOUR life thats a hellhole, the rest of us have worked hard all our lives to make it exactly NOT that. But if your life is solely depending on what others are willing to give you, then yes, your life may very well be a hellhole.
Gayle Reid
Gayle Reid 2 aylar önce
@xNuala_playsx 😺🫶🏻👍❤️
xNuala_playsx
xNuala_playsx 2 aylar önce
@Gayle Reid AMEN (I’m late by 8 months)
Karla britfeld
Karla britfeld 4 aylar önce
Still is
Nancy White
Nancy White 5 aylar önce
@What's Cooking With Mike ! cook eat chat motivate Hi Mike. I think it is human nature to view life through the lense of our own beliefs. We all have biases which we developed through our families, culture, religion, country, education, and personality. That is one of the beautiful things about modern technology; we now can learn much more about other people's experiences and viewpoints. It is both painful and amusing when my favorite subconscious viewpoints are not honored by other people. Then, of course, I look for facts to support my position. The humorous thing is that everyone does the same thing and most people only believe the "facts" that they want to believe. This is very amusing when the issues are trivial, but potentially frightening when the beliefs can move millions of people into action. So, I believe (notice "believe") we should "all be as objective as possible" (my belief). I don't know if humans will ever escape the tyranny of their own beliefs, but hopefully humans will become more receptive to each others' fears and needs and viewpoints. It would also be nice if we could all agree to the same truths, but alas, in a free society there can be as many "truths" as there are people. I try not to use labels. Instead, I try to think in terms of who is hurting or frightened. Labels like, conservative, liberal, Republican, Democrats, woke, etc. can become charged with negative emotion. No blanket statement will ever be totally true about any group of people. People who have been hurt, treated unjustly, abused, or live in fear in an otherwise free society, have the freedom to speak out and try to rectify the situation. The demand for justice might seem like overkill to those people who haven't experienced generations of cultural abuse (example: slavery, lynching, fear of police), but, keep in mind that fear and anger motivate all sides of cultural change. But, if we are objective, it makes good sense that everyone should be treated the same. No one loses and everyone gains when everyone is treated fairly. We all write and rewrite our own history; hopefully the next rewrite will be glorious!
R Purdy
R Purdy Yıl önce
"The Victorians were high moral people..." Sure, as long as you were rich. If you weren't you got kicked around like a piece of garbage because that's all you were to them. High morals, my ass!
Santor
Santor 2 aylar önce
@Amy Bishop Thats my experience too. Having worked hard from 14 yo, all my life, scrounging to get through university on my own, having a meager food budget always, its aggrevating being lectured on what is a better steak from someone living on benefits. I had my first steak when I was 28.
sarasasa
sarasasa 2 aylar önce
Actually i do believe the rich were the ones with few moral
HeatherFeather
HeatherFeather 3 aylar önce
@Little Kitty It's even worse in the US
Red panda
Red panda 6 aylar önce
@Sugar Sundae It does still exist not everyone is as lucky as you are.
Red panda
Red panda 6 aylar önce
@Sugar Sundae yeah, no poverty. Than what do you call homelessness and not being able to afford basic Healthcare in the US?
Cinder
Cinder 10 aylar önce
What damages you in your childhood has the opportunity to be corrected in adulthood. I left an abusive home at barely 17. Now 67, I've had 50 years to correct and change the first 17. Growing up is hard enough, learning what is needed to survive. When you've been damaged or suffered, it's twice as hard to succeed because you have to do two jobs. For many years you're working wounded. That take enormous energy.
Ru Sure.
Ru Sure. 2 aylar önce
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Anna Lisa Vajda
Anna Lisa Vajda 5 aylar önce
Yeah but it can go the other way too have a decent childhood career life and then be abused traumatized lose all self esteem and dignity be abused by the system too later in life etc.
Janna Mora
Janna Mora 6 aylar önce
This defines my entire life, almost 46, barely surviving
Cheeri Rinaldo
Cheeri Rinaldo 6 aylar önce
How true! I also fled my abusive father at the age of 17 and I'm now almost 67 like you are. It's been a lot of hard work but he's long dead, my doormat mother who never protected me is gone, I'm still here...and my abusive siblings have no power over me.
Cheryl G.
Cheryl G. 10 aylar önce
I was born and raised in England. So true what you said here.
Dr Terry CREAGH
Dr Terry CREAGH Yıl önce
We must be thankful for the great Charles Dickens for exposing the whole rotten system.
Jennifer Baum
Jennifer Baum 2 aylar önce
Our grandparents endured so much at such young ages. Imagine this generation having to live through these times…
Karla britfeld
Karla britfeld 4 aylar önce
And yet it continued on...
Taylor Anderson
Taylor Anderson 7 aylar önce
That is so much rotten system.
Sheila Collinge
Sheila Collinge 8 aylar önce
@lolazal1 I'm
Lori I
Lori I 9 aylar önce
Dickens was a great writer but not a great person.
Alpi Marzi
Alpi Marzi 10 aylar önce
I think it is VERY convenient to think this woman had an affair. During this time between the harshness of life, caring for NINE children, the stigma of adultery and everything she had to lose, it seems just as likely if not more so that she was pregnant by force or coercion!
Taylor Anderson
Taylor Anderson 7 aylar önce
Nine children, the stigma of adultery and everything she had to lose, it seems just as likely if not more so that she was pregnant by force or coerion !
Space Captain
Space Captain Yıl önce
She didn't necessarily "have bad taste in men". She didn't have access to better men. She also didn't have a realistic avenue out of the workhouse without getting married. It looks like she was actively propelled toward a bad marriage with a lousy man.
Karla britfeld
Karla britfeld 4 aylar önce
That still happens. Happened to me at age 17.
MaL1ceN1derLand
MaL1ceN1derLand 6 aylar önce
Yes but how likely is it that two different husbands would lie about the same woman having an affair? very unlikely to be a coincidence.
Camster Hampster
Camster Hampster 6 aylar önce
Ok man hater
Taylor Anderson
Taylor Anderson 7 aylar önce
Men. She didn't have access to better men. She also didn't have a realistic of advantage out of workhouse without getting married.it looks like she's actually propelled towards a bad marriage with a Rosy man lousy man.
Daizja Blue
Daizja Blue 9 aylar önce
Same...
star girl
star girl Yıl önce
Imagine how many women were raped and then punished for having ‘illegitimate’ children
0reaver01
0reaver01 22 gün önce
i happened but i doubt as much as you think victorians was quite clean and paranoid people diseases was quite high not much was known about them either they did everything they could not to get sick they wouldnt of gone near that peasant if they thought they was going to catch something or if the woman was smelly and unhygienic
TexasNinja
TexasNinja Aylar önce
Maids were also raped by the men of the house and disgraced
Nothingtoseehete
Nothingtoseehete 6 aylar önce
@Amanda Loveland i operate off facts not speculation.
Nat
Nat 6 aylar önce
@Tango Alpha rape happens all the time. But you are clearly a troll to say it doesn't.
Amanda Loveland
Amanda Loveland 6 aylar önce
@Nothingtoseehete I have a feeling that short of inventing a time machine and literally showing you women this was actively happening to, there isn’t enough “proof” to convince you of anything. I don’t engage with people who are determined to remain ignorant, as well as almost proudly sexist. Have the life you deserve
Marie Joyce
Marie Joyce Yıl önce
My Great Great Grandmother was widowed in 1903 with 5 children ..... by 1905 she had 2 further children father unknown , in 1905 her 6 younger children including my Great Grandmother were put into the workhouse never to live full time with their mother again .... in 1907 she had a further illegitimate child . The family splintered into 3 sections and over time the descendants of the sections didn’t know about each other . It’s taken 100 years but through DNA testing all of us descendants of her children are now in regular contact and many of us get together when we can
Marie Joyce
Marie Joyce 2 aylar önce
@Santor it was a different time , there wasn’t the infrastructure of support for women of that era that we have now . I do not condemn her choices in life as in 100 years life , views and the moral high ground has completely changed to what they were back then
Santor
Santor 2 aylar önce
Unresponsible behavior, then and now. Shouldn't be celebrated.
Visual🪬Moon🌛
Visual🪬Moon🌛 10 aylar önce
That’s amazing! I bet your Great Great Grandmother could never have imagined that would be possible! I’m sure she knows and it brings her peace💓
Hannah T
Hannah T 10 aylar önce
How cool!!!
Kimberly Lee
Kimberly Lee 10 aylar önce
I am so happy for you!!
Roger Hass
Roger Hass Yıl önce
I think that's horrible too criminalise people just because they're poor.
Lady Macbeth Of Mtsensk
Lady Macbeth Of Mtsensk 2 aylar önce
@Wisepati Why is it that people who profess to care about the poor always insist that Government is the only way, and dismiss all concerns about how government solutions can go wrong? I really abhor Statists, because they are just a few steps away from Fascism, and Fascism is Marxism adapted to tolerate private enterprise, because abolishing it led to disaster in Russia. Some people learned the wrong lessons.
Wisepati
Wisepati 2 aylar önce
@Lady Macbeth Of Mtsensk so you totally believe that everyone can be successful on their own without government making some of the playing field level. I don’t because unregulated capitalism always leads to monopoly and oligarchy. The government becomes the voice of the people who do not have all of the money. Not everyone wants to spend 24 x 7 making money. And yet the world has come to worship money and that is going to be its downfall.
Wisepati
Wisepati 2 aylar önce
@Lady Macbeth Of Mtsensk no it’s the ultimate result of capitalism because it devolves to monopoly and oligarchy. You can just look at the United States today and see how we have become a service economy and people at these jobs cannot make a living wage.
Lady Macbeth Of Mtsensk
Lady Macbeth Of Mtsensk 6 aylar önce
@Nerdsammich Actually I am not moving the goalposts, but rather remembering that they are there. Basically I merely bring up relevant information that I forgot. I wonder how, because I am always wishing someone would massacre a thousand bureaucrats.
Nerdsammich
Nerdsammich 6 aylar önce
@Lady Macbeth Of Mtsensk I definitely understand what moving the goalposts is, and it's what you're doing.
MCMLXII
MCMLXII 10 aylar önce
As usual, society blames the woman but not the man, when the man was equally responsible for the illegitimacy of the child...and in reality, the man was often even MORE responsible if the woman was the victim of rape. Sadly, this same hypocrisy and double standard continues today.
IamMe
IamMe Yıl önce
When my grandfather and his 13 siblings were orphaned the baby was adopted by a family and the older children were sent to work at farms ect , but the little ones were raised in a mental institution.I've always felt so bad for the little ones.That was in the US in 1942.
Xtiano sickboy
Xtiano sickboy 7 aylar önce
@Richard 4SHORT Understanding what was meant or not is irrelevant. You may think I'm being pedantic correcting grammar or spelling but I'm not. The OP post was written with care, punctuation and good grammar. Which is why I pointed out the mistake. Had the post been text speak I wouldn't have bothered. It's constructive criticism, not to be wasted on just anybody. I believe the OP will appreciate the heads up, as I would, and correctly use it going forward. I've no idea what you mean with regards to 'an question mark' BTW.
FlyingMonkies325
FlyingMonkies325 7 aylar önce
@Taylor Anderson We're still raised in institutions which we call schools now where we practically spend most of the week there, it may not be living 24/7 permanently in some weird institute but it's in a different way but it's never a good thing noop, kids shouldn't be away from their parents so much.
Taylor Anderson
Taylor Anderson 7 aylar önce
When my grandfather and his 13 siblings were were orphaned the baby was adopted by a family and the older child were sent to work at farms etc but the little ones were raised in a normal institution .lve always felt so bad for little ones. That was in the US in 1942.
Xtiano sickboy
Xtiano sickboy 8 aylar önce
@Michelle L so what? Comprehension wasn't questioned. I'm quite sure people got the gyst despite the mistake. It's also not a typo, they typed it 'ect' thinking it is correct. You're right though because if I call you a studip idoit I'm sure everyone would understand what I meant.
FlyingMonkies325
FlyingMonkies325 10 aylar önce
​@Amber Lee Pretty much yep one of the reasons, or they just didn't love them anymore, or didn't want another child, or just for reasons of conformity if their wife was an intelligent woman they hated that although they had no problem with it when it was their wife that filed for divorce after that either... then it was like "stupid woman doesn't know what she's saying" so a lot of women didn't marry back then cos of it, bizarre times indeed.
Nancy Hammons
Nancy Hammons Yıl önce
Regardless of what you find when researching your family, you should never be ashamed of them. I found out that my father was the result of an affair my grandma had, I don't care, I loved my father very much and grandma was a hoot and I loved her too.
Nancy Hammons
Nancy Hammons 5 aylar önce
@Argon Anarchy I'm very sorry this has turned out this way for you. Perhaps they have shaped you into the wonderful person that you have become. They have taught you how to treat people better than they have treated you. I do wish you all the best.
Argon Anarchy
Argon Anarchy 5 aylar önce
@Nancy Hammons I love my mum, but she doesn't seem to want to know me. My grandmother abused me when I was little. Thanks for your comment btw😊
Nancy Hammons
Nancy Hammons 5 aylar önce
@Argon Anarchy I'm sorry you had to find out that way, but do you still love your mom and grandmother? That's all that matters, you should still love the women that raised you and shaped you into the wonderful person you have become.
Argon Anarchy
Argon Anarchy 5 aylar önce
I recently found out that my mum's dad had an 'affair' with my grandmother when she was 16. He had kids who were older, so he must've been in his 50's. He had very little to do with my mum, so she always said she didn't have a dad. I had to get information from other family members but they'd only give me little bits at a time.
Argon Anarchy
Argon Anarchy 5 aylar önce
@Taylor Anderson why do you keep repeating other people's comments? Ugh, stop jeez
Love is Vulnerability
Love is Vulnerability Yıl önce
In all this discussion of affairs and infidelity, there's zero discussion of sexual violence. It doesn't make the women more or less deserving of what happened, but it does complicate the story and is worth talking about. To clarify, when I said "deserving," I meant deserving of having been treated so poorly as a result of the pregnancy, and no one deserves that.
Mike E
Mike E 7 aylar önce
YOUR ENGLISH GRAMMAR IS SO POOR I CAN'T EVEN UNDERSTAND WHAT YOU ARE TRYING TO SAY.
Taylor Anderson
Taylor Anderson 7 aylar önce
Deserving of having been treated so
Taylor Anderson
Taylor Anderson 7 aylar önce
Poorly as the result of pregnancy, and no one deserves that.
Crystal
Crystal 9 aylar önce
@Mike E No, they assumed she cheated. She very possibly could have been raped, and even if she was, they'd still have constantly her to be at fault. Society still victim blames in many cases of rape.
Mike E
Mike E 10 aylar önce
@Suzanne WHAT IS?
Elizabeth Brauer
Elizabeth Brauer Yıl önce
Thank God for Dickens. He documented this Victorian world for all of us to learn and grow. And this show validates much of his writings on the subject of poor people at this time. Sure hope we don't repeat history.
Claire Suzanne
Claire Suzanne 8 aylar önce
Dickens has made a society of parasites that don't work because it's easier not too!! You clearly don't see where it's gone wrong!!
Luna Lea
Luna Lea 9 aylar önce
And Catherine Cookson!
Annoying B'stard
Annoying B'stard Yıl önce
My grandfather was born in the workhouse. A fact that’s often overlooked is that this was the only place many poor women could be sure of medical attention during childbirth. Most - my great-grandmother included - simply stayed there for a few days before returning to their normal lives.
Taylor Anderson
Taylor Anderson 7 aylar önce
The only place many poor woman could be sure of medical attention during childbirth. Most my great grandmother include simple stay there for a few days before raining to Thier normal lives.
Ann King
Ann King Yıl önce
I love Absolute History. Can't get enough. Really good stuff.
Taylor Anderson
Taylor Anderson 7 aylar önce
I love Absolute History. Can't get enough. Really good stuff.
isa mack
isa mack Yıl önce
Just found this and for someone who did not like history in school( maybe because it was so dull) this is so interesting.
~daisydeadpetals~
~daisydeadpetals~ Yıl önce
This was such a heartbreaking episode, I could barely stand it! Mr. Cox was so afflicted by his families past, and in the end he was so happy to see the his great grandfather was able to meet his 2 year old mother. I have seen other stories that really made it out to be a horrible thing, sending improvrished british children to Australia. This story seems like it helped kids. Even tho, it would have been better if the laws where thrown out completely, againist the impoverished. I don't need to get started or I will not stop, and you guys don't want that, trust me. 🙊💚👩🏻‍🦰😋
Nom De Plume🏴‍☠️
Nom De Plume🏴‍☠️ Yıl önce
Ikr!! Especially 32:00
auapplemac
auapplemac Yıl önce
We sent impoverished kids and orphans from the east coast to farms in the Midwest. They were known as "Orphan Trains". Some were treated well while others were treated as slaves. There was a TV film based on this several years ago.
World Gone Mad
World Gone Mad 11 aylar önce
We have a geriatric hospital that used to be a workhouse and elderly people in this city were absolutely terrified of going there. I think it was a very poor choice for the NHS to utilise this building for that purpose. It should have been razed to the ground and a new hospital built. Government funding at it’s best - again😡
Mystified
Mystified 2 aylar önce
@567Katii or Brighton?
Tanner Lepper
Tanner Lepper 4 aylar önce
How about we send the a$$hole$ in our government be sent to a workhouse and be stuck there. I'd sign that petition.
ktw
ktw 9 aylar önce
It was done all over the UK.
Suzanne
Suzanne 10 aylar önce
Either that or make it a school or some place for the younger generations that don't have any association of the building with the workhouse. Who tf thought it would be a great idea to make it a place for those who actually remember it as being a workhouse? Omg!
World Gone Mad
World Gone Mad 10 aylar önce
@567Katii No it is in Aberdeen in Scotland
Amanda Pittar
Amanda Pittar Yıl önce
When you read and listen to these stories of survival, you realise two things. One, the laws are written for the wealthy, and always have been. Only a few glorious people have fought for great change and achieved it. I am so grateful to them. Two, we are all the survivors. We are the descendants of the survivors of the Black Death, Civil wars, Plagues, disease, world wars, industrialisation, transportation, clearances, workhouses, poverty - all the world has thrown at our ancestors. We are the survivors. In fact, the cream of the crop. And now we face another “plague”. Ah well.
Kelly Evans
Kelly Evans 10 aylar önce
And the laws were wrote by men and the woman basically had no voice….we have come a long way
Mary Walker
Mary Walker 10 aylar önce
Funny I was talking about this the other day .we are descendents of survivors so we are like u said the cream of the crop .
Lara
Lara 10 aylar önce
I absolutely agree!
Amanda Pittar
Amanda Pittar 10 aylar önce
@Bernadette Boyle Thank you Bernadette. I’ve done YEARs of history ( an MA Hons plus an Archive post grad, plus 30 years of researching family history for mine and others). People forget how they came to be, right now. We really are the product of our ancestors- we live in much more peaceful, law abiding, comfortable, times. People don’t die of starvation in first world countries- unless in unusual circumstances. We are better educated, better fed, better housed, it’s all a matter of degree. We may think the Victorian Age was better, but only for the top 15% or so. Not for women, never for women.
Bernadette Boyle
Bernadette Boyle 10 aylar önce
Also ‘we are the survivors’… I really like the way you’ve expressed this. Very well stated : ) 🌷
Lynn Carter
Lynn Carter 10 aylar önce
Maybe Mary never had an affair. Maybe John just accused her of one so he could marry some one younger. Back then you could get away with terrible treatment of spouses.
M. Montoya
M. Montoya 6 aylar önce
@Tamara Thornton they did it on multiple comments. Annoyingly 🙄
Tamara Thornton
Tamara Thornton 7 aylar önce
@Taylor Anderson why did you write the exact same thing as the original poster? This looks suspicious to me.
Taylor Anderson
Taylor Anderson 7 aylar önce
Maybe Mary never had an affair. Maybe John just accused her of one so he could marry someone younger. Back then you could get away with terrible treatment of spouses.
Charlotte Taylor
Charlotte Taylor 9 aylar önce
In the UK until 1991, it was legal for a husband to rape his wife. Not that long ago.
BM
BM 9 aylar önce
You still can now unfortunatley!
NoLoveForMonday
NoLoveForMonday Yıl önce
It is sad that "illegitimate children" were often a product of s.assult and abuse. It had to go unspoken about, and many women were accused of "cheating" on their husband's.
coda creator
coda creator Yıl önce
If the workhouses had actually contributed to society by producing needed goods rather than focusing on punishment, they might have accomplished their goal of giving the poor and destitute a purpose and means of earning their way out. Instead, they put residents to hard, pointless labor. Like modern welfare, they trapped people there, exacerbating an already dire situation. “Please, sir. I want some more.” What’s morally disheartening, though, is they punished entire families for their destitution.
Taylor Anderson
Taylor Anderson 7 aylar önce
Rather than focusing on punishment, they may I have accomplished their goal of giving the poor and depth a purpose and mean airing their way out instead they residents to hard , pointless labor . like modern welfare , they trapped people there ,exabating an already dire situation . please Sir .I want some more . What's morally disheartening , though,is they punished entire families for Thier dentistution .
Daisy dukes
Daisy dukes 9 aylar önce
@TessHM Your comment is downright stupid and pathetic.Go support all the lazy people you like but stop trying to be my dictator. Dictators are as bad as parasites.
TessHM
TessHM 9 aylar önce
@Daisy dukes nobody can or should support themselves. Humanity is an inherently cooperative species. If we were all supporting ourselves, we'd still be speedwalking after wounded gazelles in Africa rather than enjoying the comforts of civilization that allow you to leave such ignorant comments.
Daisy dukes
Daisy dukes 9 aylar önce
@TessHM Anyone who believes in enslaving people to steal from them should be exiled to a country where they can work to support all its inhabitants. America is not a slavery country.
Daisy dukes
Daisy dukes 9 aylar önce
@TessHM Haha! That’s pathetic. Fellow men need to support themselves.
Hali the Huntress
Hali the Huntress Yıl önce
I have a paternal ancestor that was a pauper inmate in england in the 1800s. I would love to have a detailed story on them as well. That's so cool for them to know their stories.
JoMarieM
JoMarieM Yıl önce
I find it sad how some of these kids were separated from their parents, and in some cases even from their siblings (like the lady who wanted to adopt her little sister, but never even got to see her again), and sent to far-off countries to start new lives. Sending the kids to Australia and Canada reminds me a bit of the Orphan Train kids in the US, who were sent from places like Boston and New York City to live with families out west. In all these situations, these long-distance migrations had the potential to be mixed blessings for the kids. Some children were true orphans, while others had one or both parents still living, who gave them up for adoption so that they could have a chance for a better life, and some were even forcibly removed from parents who were deemed unfit (whether the parents actually were unfit or not.) Some children wound up in loving homes with people who actually wanted a child to love, while others just wanted free farm labor and took advantage of these new members of their household. However, even for the kids who had no memories of their biological parents and had a good upbringing by their foster/adoptive parents, being sent so far away from their point of origin obviously had to have life-long psychological effects to some degree!
BittersweetMayhem
BittersweetMayhem 10 aylar önce
I guess a they rationalised it: demand for labour and "chance of a new life". A win-win. Obviously places willing to take unwanted children never have good intentions
S
S 10 aylar önce
What you speak about with forced labor from "adopted children" is actually the leading form of slavery today, after sex slavery ofc. It happens in desperate times in places like Afghanistan bc of the famine but it sadly happens everywhere. :( So be aware and help to fight it!
mrsmerily
mrsmerily Yıl önce
there is actually sad point in this. In my country every mother is paid for first 1,5 year after having baby a wage. There was a case where a female was having babies every 1,5 years and giving baby away to governement care. If that is not worse enough after one of the older girl found a family who was interested of girl mom showed up, started to mess up childs mind and made her steal from the family.... so there are different stories. Also if you take account that many these families might have 6-8 children it is for sure no one would adopt 6 children all together so seperating them, there was bigger change. Sad in it self removing your brothers and sisters but sometimes you have to do what you have to do.
maria fenton
maria fenton 10 aylar önce
These sad stories were told with such integrity. It’s shameful how so-called civil societies treat their poor…then and now.
Bettye Christain
Bettye Christain 10 aylar önce
We must remember that great atrocities occured in the workhouses as well as in daily lives of cast off women. I find it peculiar that a woman with 10 children and a husband to cook, clean and provide all wifely and mothering care for, had time and energy for an affair. Frankly l do not think she did. In tracing my genealogy l have found terrible things men have caused to happen to their women - wife or children.
Ok
Ok 6 aylar önce
@haydn douglas Dude what makes you believe the guy she cheated with was single? People got married with 18-20 years, married men were cheating just as much. They just didn't have to face any consequences so stop acting like women totally deserved what they got or demand the same cruelty towards men
haydn douglas
haydn douglas 9 aylar önce
Women arent victims she had a affair and had to deal with the consequences only bad thing is her life wasnt worse
Mike E
Mike E 10 aylar önce
@jax smithNAME ONE.
TrashPanda
TrashPanda 10 aylar önce
@Mike E buddy I said 'yep' cus I didn't wanna have a long convo- but if you honestly think all women are cheaters or something, you clearly have issues with women and should get therapy or at least stop spreading your hate shit around. thanks
Mike E
Mike E 10 aylar önce
@TrashPanda THAT'S WHAT I THOUGHT.
Daniel
Daniel 10 aylar önce
Sadly there are still people in the UK who think workhouses should return. It's disgusting.
Santor
Santor 2 aylar önce
Whats the supposed benefit of reintroducing the workhouse?
Tanner Lepper
Tanner Lepper 4 aylar önce
Those people are ridiculous for thinking that. Those people definitely have mental issues.
Heather
Heather 11 aylar önce
It's also interesting to consider that many people "died in the workhouse" because it provided the only healthcare available to them. People would go to the workhouse for the hospital and then if they got better they'd be kicked out or have to work. But many times they'd die there.
Kaci K
Kaci K 10 aylar önce
His reaction to “He would have seen his granddaughter” was absolutely heartwarming ♥️
sjbrooksy45
sjbrooksy45 10 aylar önce
I love it when people who've never spent a year working manual labor complain about other people's work ethic. Like dude, I worked with my hands in crap jobs for 7 years while putting myself through school and helping my wife raise our babies. I now make 10x as much for half the effort. It isn't always about not wanting to work, it is about not having opportunities to better your life. What good does a job do if it still doesn't pay for the basics and you are still surrounded by the hardships of everyday life. Try struggling to pay for food, shelter, and heat, and then boom you get sick and miss work, and then trying to recover from that boom you and your wife are arguing about money, and then boom your car needs a new water pump you can't afford, and then boom the apartment company ups your rent at the end of the year. Not to mention that in the USA there is no Universal Health Care so better hope there are no medical bills. I was blessed to have family that cared and believed enough in me to help me through hard times, both financially and emotionally. Not everyone has that.
miseryschewtoy
miseryschewtoy Yıl önce
32:00 is the perfect example of just how close we are to our ancestors. His mother was held by the man he’s learning about. It immediately connects him to his relative via touch. Phenomenal.
Suzanne
Suzanne 10 aylar önce
This!
Celisar1
Celisar1 Yıl önce
20:19 Absolutely perfect conditions for child abuse of any sort and child slavery. What a terrific system to make sure almost everybody got as unhappy as possible: mothers without their children, children without their parents or anybody who cared.
Kerry Peters
Kerry Peters 10 aylar önce
I was sexualy abused in children homes spanning since 60 so I agree that women children were abused and could ended up pregnant in workhorse by those ran them
Fawn
Fawn Yıl önce
Capitalism truly is evil.
xdragonladyx
xdragonladyx Yıl önce
I bet a lot of these people had chronic ailments that drove them into the workhouse. The term "chronic bronchitis" was used for asthma not so long ago, I wouldn't be surprised at all if that was also the case back then
J
J 9 aylar önce
@nobodys baby Yep.
nobodys baby
nobodys baby 9 aylar önce
The shelters today are full of people whose poor health has driven them into poverty.
Lulu Moon
Lulu Moon 10 aylar önce
AGREED
Bernadette Boyle
Bernadette Boyle 10 aylar önce
@J I’m still doing fairly well in the cognitive department but my memory is appalling. It’s weird though. I remember silly things from a long time ago but not things that happened last week. I think this is why this >🤷🏼‍♀️ is my favourite emoji. I swear it sums me up perfectly : )
J
J 10 aylar önce
@Bernadette Boyle I'm pretty lucky to have function of all of my limbs. I do have cognitive function issues and tremors, though
Dragons Tooth
Dragons Tooth 10 aylar önce
watching this makes me wonder if there is generational trauma that is filtering down for ripping families apart like this.
Kev Fit
Kev Fit 2 aylar önce
Epigenetics. Yes
Riya Ali
Riya Ali 9 aylar önce
There definitely is.
Chantel Wensley
Chantel Wensley 10 aylar önce
Of course there is. Dna is strong.
Dave Anderson
Dave Anderson Yıl önce
I always thought that the work house system was a victorian problem I had no idea that this disgusting system was in use until after WW2
KaelaLee Daley
KaelaLee Daley 10 aylar önce
@Megan Marmain Hi Megan, I'm absolutely certain this has happened (which is truly awful) but I would argue that food in the UK in my lifetime of 30+ years, has been largely affordable when compared to even other Western Countries. Today, Foodbanks are a sad fact of life for some families, especially those in debt whilst totally relying on benefits for their income. Benefit Sanctions are what today that push people into the level of desperation you are referring to (outside of illegal immigration/trafficked individual into expensive cities where they work without permit, cannot obtain benefits or healthcare and are often forced to work for a pittance and rent rooms that are exorbitantly expensive). If you are personally concerned about available nutrition for those facing financial difficulty, I can recommend volunteering at The Trussell Trust who run the majority of foodbanks in The UK. I volunteered with them 7 years ago (when I was physically able to) and found that much of the food was wasted because they simply did not have enough people needing the Foodbanks' help. This was in a working class, high-benefit dependant area where we live in South Wales. We couldn't give it away then, now people would jump at the chance (heartbreakingly). I'm truly sorry if you felt that my previous comments in any way was to denigrate the vulnerable or diminish their experiences (whether past or present) x
Megan Marmain
Megan Marmain 10 aylar önce
@KaelaLee Daley you do realise that there are people in the UK who starve to death after having their benefits cut, right?!
Susan McCormick
Susan McCormick 10 aylar önce
My Gramma was born in the 1880s I think & in spite of being part of a loving family,always feared the shadow of the workhouse.
Bernadette Boyle
Bernadette Boyle 10 aylar önce
@Marko Henry Also, back then one decent wage could, more or less, keep a family. It seems like a lot of people today have two jobs and are still impoverished.
John Dooley
John Dooley 10 aylar önce
@Marko Henry It is always the argument I make to people who are anti welfare and anti dole that the dole benefits all people, not only the ones who receive it. Employers would pay people less money if there was no dole and starvation was the outcome of not being able to work or get a job.
Kyane Crane
Kyane Crane Yıl önce
I recognize Mr. Carson from Downton Abbey’s voice as the narrator. He has a great voice and is a great actor
Sweetfreeze
Sweetfreeze 9 aylar önce
Thank you! Was looking everywhere!
Musicandlyrics2400
Musicandlyrics2400 10 aylar önce
Is that the Butler?
hidbee
hidbee 10 aylar önce
Came here to say the same!
Lynda Williams
Lynda Williams 10 aylar önce
Indeed!!!
steph jones
steph jones 11 aylar önce
How very fitting that Carson should narrate such a documentary. The gap between wealth and poverty is so vast. Very sad how family suffered so terribly.
Livvy
Livvy 11 aylar önce
Crikey I didn't expect this to be so emotional. Makes you wonder what your own family went through.
Lulu Moon
Lulu Moon 10 aylar önce
@jax smith 🙏 Not my wisdom, found here, from a respected Elder, was life changing for me: trshow.info/watch/kflzHG4Gucs/video.html
Lulu Moon
Lulu Moon 10 aylar önce
THEY ENDURED, AS WE MUST.
Suzanne
Suzanne 10 aylar önce
@4:45 - Imagine being raped, forced to carry full term and then being treated like this. People call it 'extramarital affairs' but you just know (especially in that day and age) it was most likely rape. The guy who behaved improperly out of lust gets to go on with his merry little life, while the victim he made is cut away from her family and being thrown into an abusive workhouse. Or - as seems could've been the case here - husbands getting their wives pregnant, then getting sick of said wife, and just making up that the kid's not yours and have her thrown out of your life. People (especially men those days) suck.
Global Warmhugs
Global Warmhugs 10 aylar önce
Those in dire poverty are still viewed as criminals, especially by the out of touch wealthy, most of whom have never worked a day in their lives. Nothing changes.
Global Warmhugs
Global Warmhugs 5 aylar önce
@Danae Baragar Yep
Danae Baragar
Danae Baragar 5 aylar önce
RIGHT. It’s like “the poor were put to work because it was immoral for them to sit around and do nothing” like what, the wealthy did? Guess what’s good for the goose isn’t good for the gander 🙄
lucy lastic
lucy lastic Yıl önce
My Grandmother was terrified of the workhouse that turned into a hospital... it was horrendous, and vile way to treat humans.
Bad Dog
Bad Dog Yıl önce
Brian Cox is one of my favorite actors and I felt his pain at the knowledge of what his forebears went through. I spent 15 years in orphanages, some of a dubious reputation. I would have gotten a shorter sentence for murder.
Susan McCormick
Susan McCormick 10 aylar önce
Bad Dog: I hope things r better for you know.Salud!
Xtiano sickboy
Xtiano sickboy Yıl önce
Brian is seriously pissed off bless him.
Joanna B
Joanna B Yıl önce
Tragic. Children always suffer the worst. Look at cases of paedophilia and child abuse now - sentences are pathetic
Mary Louise Stewart
Mary Louise Stewart Yıl önce
Sorry you had to go through that. Hope life’s treating you well now
Yvonne, Wales, UK
Yvonne, Wales, UK Yıl önce
Yes, that was the reality for far too many people, and it's well within living memory. A common phrase heard often from my mother, when I mithered her for sweets, was, "We'll end up in the workhouse if I have to keep giving you money for sweets!" No, it wasn't a "privileged" society for most working class people (who made up the majority of society)!
Brittany Dumoulin
Brittany Dumoulin Yıl önce
I grew up with these stories here in Canada unfortunately many of these kids were not treated well here many died from abuse and neglect. Sad stories. Some really faired well and live on and their ancestors are here to this day.
elana sharich
elana sharich 10 aylar önce
What a brilliant documentary, I love that the celebrities were able to obtain fascinating details about their families. Satisfying in so many degrees. Thoroughly enjoyed.
Jennifer Bohnet-St Germain
Jennifer Bohnet-St Germain 10 aylar önce
This has to be one of the most painful stories I've ever listened to. Babies taken away from their mothers.... I would die 😭💔 the sin was solely taken by the woman 🤬🤬🤬 like America today. It's disgusting!!
AccountabilityisAdmirable
AccountabilityisAdmirable Yıl önce
My uncle has been trying to trace the family tree found out my grandmother was adopted (she died not knowing this) turns out she was adopted from shepherd's bush, moved upto Cumbria. Her little sister Betty was found in Australia a good few year ago. The mind boggles.....
lisa ahmari
lisa ahmari Yıl önce
I wish someone in this documentary would point out that very often these women did not have "affairs".....they were RAPED, IMPREGNATED AND FORCED TO CARRY AND GIVE BIRTH TO A CHILD. There was no morning after pill,. No confronting an employer who raped you, because, at that time (and even now) people assumed the woman did something to lead the rapist on. Please stop constantly referring to it as an "extra-marital affair" when the reality could have simply been the constant abuse of power of rich over poor.
lisa ahmari
lisa ahmari 4 aylar önce
@Frilly Lily I am so sickened by what is happening in most of the States in my country right now. Laws that are now in the books flush women right down the toilet, sending them straight back to the staus they held in pre-industrial society. They are once again "breeders" above all....and half the country is allowing it to continue. Progress always happens in non-linear form, but this as been a ludicrous U-turn and it is nauseating.
Frilly Lily
Frilly Lily 4 aylar önce
@lisa ahmari I have heard stories of some rapist trying to sue for parental rights but thankfully haven’t seen instances were one have succeeded. The law varies between states. Hopefully the Mother an Her child can be protected. New laws can be made straightening certain protections hopefully soon with the legal age of child marriage you’d be surprised whats legal or just haven’t been looked into because most would think certain things would obviously be not allowed.
Frilly Lily
Frilly Lily 4 aylar önce
@Karla britfeld If someone is willing they can do anything but it is suspicious that one would even supposedly find time to possibly have an affair when taking care of 9 kids and doing all the house work an cooking. That’s a lot of time spent working how would one even have any time back then?
Karla britfeld
Karla britfeld 4 aylar önce
Yes. Who has time for an affair when they have 9 kids?
lisa ahmari
lisa ahmari 5 aylar önce
@What's Cooking With Mike ! cook eat chat motivate That is a very fair point. I need to remember what it feels like to work on a project with the goal of getting a story across. The people making this video were doing that and getting some important history out there, hopefully to people who maybe had never heard details about the depressing reality of Victorian England before. I think that I, like so many women in America, are a bit extra vigilant right now. Our country is undergoing a Gilead-like transformation. Girls who are raped are being forced to give birth to their rapist's child....and in some States, the rapist actually has parental rights, once the girl gives birth. It is surreal how my country is attempting to regress, at an astonishing pace, back to a time when women were property with no rights. I apologize for not prefacing my original remark with gratitude to these guys for doing a great job in making history interesting. I just wanted to be sure the viewers got a bit more info from a side that is not often told. If it were told more often, maybe history would not be repeating itself now in such a horrifying way.
Jeff K
Jeff K Yıl önce
I remember Oliver Twist getting kicked out of the workhouse for just asking for seconds for dinner. Sadly, a lot of people strive for people who aren’t otherwise as privileged to go into institutions like this. Now a days, this would be the middle class, and people with barriers to employment, such as those with disabilities.
Andy
Andy 6 aylar önce
Oliver Twist wasn't kicked out of the workhouse, he was sold as an apprentice funeral director. Sold. For money. This wasn't unusual, nor was the abuse Twist suffered as a result!
Lady Macbeth Of Mtsensk
Lady Macbeth Of Mtsensk Yıl önce
One boy, boy for sale! He's going cheap, only seven guineas! That or thereabout.
hunnie
hunnie Yıl önce
oh, the stories you learn from family histories! so interesting yet slightly appalling at the same time…
Yvonne Murray
Yvonne Murray Yıl önce
@TkSrAF_1Ez0Xc67JLcg9gw my thought exactly.
Noelle Alexandria
Noelle Alexandria Yıl önce
@TkSrAF_1Ez0Xc67JLcg9gw The exact one-word comment I was going to make.
TkSrAF_1Ez0Xc67JLcg9gw
TkSrAF_1Ez0Xc67JLcg9gw Yıl önce
Slightly?
Diana Wingate
Diana Wingate 11 aylar önce
Fascinating! Especially with one of my favorite actors, Brian Cox, having his family as one of the three being traced. The stories are quite touching & amazing. In some ways, we've come a long way from the workhouse. And yet......have we really.....considering the situation of the poor & CPS today.
Carla Flaute
Carla Flaute 11 aylar önce
Honestly the big picture offers the knowledge that no matter what generation you are from or century life was hard for many people. Heartbreaking,sad, and extremely hard on people going through rough times. Humans are resilient and fighters even when your stuck between a rock and a hard place.
Piss-N-Vinegar
Piss-N-Vinegar Yıl önce
“ 24 Hours in the past “ is a BBC reality show about this very subject, it’s really neat, informative, AND a lot of fun 👍
Suzanne
Suzanne 10 aylar önce
Thanks for sharing!
Chantel Wensley
Chantel Wensley 10 aylar önce
...fun might not be the best wording for such disparity. My heart is literally breaking hearing these stories. But thanks for sharing ! BBC is awesome
Walking Charade
Walking Charade Yıl önce
the legacy of british colonialism in australia is horrific and I totally understand the push against the colonial legacy, but its hard to brand poor neglected children who were sent with no imput of their own to australia 'colonists' - many Australians roots are as tools of colonialism, rather than intentional colonists themselves, which complicates, but does not negate the harm of, the whole dirty enterprise.
Dani Zhou
Dani Zhou 9 aylar önce
Convicts still took part in murdering and raping Aboriginal people and wiping out their culture.
8 of Wands
8 of Wands 9 aylar önce
@Suzanne True, in the USA many of the people in the first colonies were indentured servants. However, the organizers of these early colonies were either religious dissenters or speculators - financed by corporations and under contract to bring back or send back to the UK natural resources that could make the corporation a profit. In the Indian subcontinent, all the early British settlers were employed by the East India Company...and the Raj was a company system of control over native populations. Really money and religion were the main drivers of the first colonizations from Europe. I consider the other wave of immigration - to Australia and the USA in the 19th century - to consist of economic and sometimes political refugees.
Suzanne
Suzanne 10 aylar önce
The definition of the word 'colonist': "a settler in or inhabitant of a colony". Most colonists anywhere were not there of their own free will, or even angry white men killing native tribes. Just poor paupers whose circumstances (often literally) forced them to try making a life for themselves in one of the colonies their country had forcibly taken from others beforehand.
FlyingMonkies325
FlyingMonkies325 10 aylar önce
Meh... i don't bother looking into all the ancestor stuff cos we're a mix these days there's nothing special about it really... and right now again more people are moving out of the UK to Australia and America i have a cousin and quite a few relatives who live over there now and honestly i have the urge to do the same... i'm not happy here either and it's too stuffy and old-fashioned to be livable the impact living here has on your mental health isn't good and there's no support for anything.
Mand lin
Mand lin 10 aylar önce
Most British people where just about keeping out of the workhouses themselves though. The need for many to blame ALL British people for a handful of mega rich people who where doing the same sick shit to British people too is frustrating.
Johanna Schreiner
Johanna Schreiner Yıl önce
It really saddens me that in cases of illegitimate children, they put the responsibility on the woman - "She broke the moral code." Yes, in those times there were these strict moral rules, but genealogy does not reveal the exact circumstances in which the woman must have been. She may very well have been the victim of rape. Or maybee she had a drunken thug for a husband. Afairs do not just randomy occur. At least the Woman at 17:50 ist showing some empathy. P.S. I would like to see it addressed that genealogy generally does not provide such answers. Occasionally there are significant sources, but not usually. Also the documentary does not talk about sexual violence in a differentiated way, as other comments have pointed out.
Lemon Squire
Lemon Squire 10 aylar önce
@Christopher Orrell calling everyone triggered doesn’t win a debate nor argument. Someone made a valid point - you are looking at this issue through a personal lens but suggesting everyone else is being emotional. There is nothing wrong with emotions but I’d remind you that you brought your personal issues to a discussion about workhouses.
Bernadette Boyle
Bernadette Boyle 10 aylar önce
@Venus Envy ‘Entitled Scrote’… this is awesome! ☺️
CEO of Unpopular Opinions
CEO of Unpopular Opinions Yıl önce
Allergic to responcibility.
Venus Envy
Venus Envy Yıl önce
@Rebecca James Stanley here is probably a rapist, maybe a child rapist, a lot of men are, more than admit or who are caught. It's not even illegal in France, you know.
Venus Envy
Venus Envy Yıl önce
@Little Kitty Oh my goodness, I hope that entitled scrote who is robbing you ends up in prison, or worse. What a disgusting man, to steal everything from a hard working woman, I hope you can get a good lawyer or extricate yourself from his thriving grasp somehow.
Sonia Triana
Sonia Triana Yıl önce
Wow! How horrible for anyone having to need a Workhouse for survival. And even the ones who didn’t end up there, their lives were also of struggle & survival(unless they were from well off families with money). The 3 guest stars were heartbroken, & so was I, at learning what their ancestors lives were like. I’m sure many of us also come from families with similar stories & circumstances; life was about surviving! Luckily & hopefully, we continue to learn from these abdominal beliefs & practices - never to repeat them again!!
Bernadette Boyle
Bernadette Boyle 10 aylar önce
@Andeanna Farnes I think this is already starting to happen. When I was younger there actually was a middle class. This is barely noticeable these days. It seems we’re slipping back into a society that is comprised of rich and poor with very little in the middle.
Andeanna Farnes
Andeanna Farnes 11 aylar önce
Unfortunately many conservative traditionalist idolize these old beliefs. Continuously attempting to bring back these "good ole" days.
Nom De Plume🏴‍☠️
Nom De Plume🏴‍☠️ Yıl önce
Its happening in every country as we speak
Alayla Burkhart
Alayla Burkhart Yıl önce
My family didn't emigrate to the US until after WW2 and my ancestors, that we know of, have always lived in poverty. Just knowing that some of my relatives may have been born or forced to work in a workhouse is very depressing and I'm very glad this system has been dismantled.
Santor
Santor 2 aylar önce
Today they on welfare instead. Big improvement?
StephBer1
StephBer1 11 aylar önce
Quickly looking at online records, Albert Liddell was married in 1929 and the registry office was in the area of Canning, in South Perth, Perth being the capital of Western Australia. As it was registered in Canning I could assume that Albert had a farm to the South of Perth, which is a fertile and very pretty area. It was only farms to the north of Perth that were harsh. There is no record of his death by 1971 in WA so he either lived until older than that or he moved to another state. My father was born in 1928 on a WA farm. Such a small world.
NZ scenes, and scary stories,
NZ scenes, and scary stories, 10 aylar önce
Barbara Taylor Bradford came a long way from her mother being in heartbreaking poverty to where she is now .
Laura Jenkinson
Laura Jenkinson 5 aylar önce
I dont like her
leslie smith
leslie smith Yıl önce
Such a sad story for a country who wielded so much power in the world, and with their own people such poverty. The poor little children 😢
ivy green
ivy green Yıl önce
"Strange" to hear Jim Carter talking about Ripon in this great documentary, reminding him talking about Ripon as an actor in Downton Abbey. Mr Carter is absolutely perfect as a narrator in this kind of documentaries, enjoying both what we watch, and who we listen to.
Emily Vee
Emily Vee Yıl önce
He’s telling Ethel’s story.
Jenna Grosh
Jenna Grosh Yıl önce
The fact that Frida was never able to see little Edith again shattered me omg 😭
Susan McCormick
Susan McCormick 10 aylar önce
My adopted mother was called Edith Freda.Born around 1915,I think.I was adopted when my folks were in their 40s & last year, learned quite a lot about my British connections & some USA facts of which I was unaware.
SingenStatt Atmen
SingenStatt Atmen Yıl önce
I do wonder if at least little Edith was ever made aware that her sister reached out and wanted her to love with her. I sure hope so
Blush And Berries
Blush And Berries Yıl önce
Me? Oh I'm just crying like river over these stories. So heartbreaking and emotional to hear the struggle there people had to endure for no good reason. Thankfully Albert gave us hope!
macpduff
macpduff 10 aylar önce
Look up The Orphan Trains. Children were sent to Canada also. Thru DNA testing I found a relative in Canada whose grandmother was sent from England to Canada. I finally learned through genealogy research our common connection, - and i leads back to a Victorian Poor House and a mother who died there of Typhus or TB. The family emigrated from Ireland to England mid 1850's during he Great Potato Famine. These are hearbreaking stories.
Jane Brown
Jane Brown Yıl önce
I worked as a temp for awhile at Paddington Hosp in the early 80s and staff told me the older people refused to attend there as it had been a workhouse, and old social memories were passed down thru the (few) generations.
Laurie
Laurie 10 aylar önce
My father was sent to the orphanage by his mother he was 12 they lived in New York the orphanage sent him to a work farm to live those people were so cruel to him and others the state paid these people for keeping the children it was a nightmare my father said he's long passed now
NickVenture1
NickVenture1 Yıl önce
I did not hear of these Workhouses till now. When I see the buildings they look quite nice. Time to check out the video to discover what was so bad going on in there.
teresa apro
teresa apro 10 aylar önce
I remember my late grandad, refusing to visit me and his first great grandchild, in the old 'City Home' in Limerick City, it was a lovely post natal hospital, we were moved from the maternity hospital, Saint Munchins Regional Maternity. I never knew, it was the old workhouse! My late mum hated it too and shuddered EVERY time she walked through the door!!! Horrible thoughts, horrible memories 😢 😞 😔
Linda Norris
Linda Norris Yıl önce
LOVE (actor) Brian Cox's reactions and HIS brutal honesty in this series!
Noam Z
Noam Z 10 aylar önce
15:47 That "model of childhood innocence" was Victorian, actually. That children were pure of soul, like some pastoral romance, only to be corrupted in adulthood. Tiger and the lamb from early romanticism. Lots of fascination with childhood death and purity. Peter Pan was meant to be a response to all that, saying that children *aren't* angels, and can be cruel and really quite self-absorbed, but also imaginative and intelligent.
1stp4ward
1stp4ward Yıl önce
16 million people in 100 years passing through the workhouse. That's a lot of poor destitute people in one nation.
chiharu kobayashi
chiharu kobayashi Yıl önce
Evangelical is how I would describe Victorian `morals`, little forgiveness and lots of shame
Sunshine55
Sunshine55 10 aylar önce
Brian Cox is astounded that a single father was expected to work and care for a child at the same time. What does he think single mothers have always done?
Evar Dion
Evar Dion 9 aylar önce
Victorian times and modern times were completely different, back then there was no welfare, no daycare, no free schooling and typical jobs were 12 hours a day, 6 days a week. Typical women's jobs like weaving, light farm work and housework you could do while looking after a child because most of the work was done at a home so it was a relatively safe environment for children. You couldn't be a laborer or miner and look after a child at the same time because it would simply be far too dangerous for the child. Paupers had very limited options for work so they could only take what was on offer..
Logan Lemonslice
Logan Lemonslice 10 aylar önce
The emotional reaction and connection to past family members, so pure and touching.
Marcy Doyle
Marcy Doyle Yıl önce
How amazing the comment about our family historical circumstances being in our DNA. My partner is English and even though he has lived in Australia for 40 years, his history comes down through the middle class. He has had to work and in Australia there is not the same class system but it is amazing how he has this high handed attitude; that of ‘an unfounded sense of entitlement’. He didn’t meet his extended middle class family because they had all died before he was born, but he thinks he deserves more than others and with no real justification. Interesting isn’t it?
Santor
Santor 2 aylar önce
He sounds like a narcissist.
Marcy Doyle
Marcy Doyle 8 aylar önce
@Chantel Wensley Yes, that is exactly what I was getting at; DNA is amazing how it brings out certain traits through nature and not educated through nurture.
Al
Al 10 aylar önce
I think it's sad to hear you speak badly about him.
Chantel Wensley
Chantel Wensley 10 aylar önce
Honestly ....I get this though, my ancestry is upper mid class (scandinavian) alas I barely make 40k a year. This all said, myself and my daughter's all have a very fine eye for luxury, well made fabrics and furnishings and generally approach the world with a high standard. I have many many people who have thought we were wealthy...yet its a far cry from that. One time I was at West Edmonton Mall...for Christmas vacation...I was walking through the courtyard and stopped at ...I can't even recall but a good vendor of some sorts. And the gentleman said with absolute certainty, to my face "you are a woman of wealth aren't you". I think I made a silly awkward face and didn't respond. 🤣 Dna is strong. Much stronger than we think. Even being so far down the genetic line... I think this is why sometimes people get a certain call or yearning to travel to specific places/cultures or time periods. Thanks for sharing with everyone 💕
Marcy Doyle
Marcy Doyle 10 aylar önce
@Denae Sanchez hahaha, I have asked myself the same question at times but he makes me laugh, a lot and his sense of entitlement is never directed at me.
Linda Norris
Linda Norris Yıl önce
These very famous people have soooooooooo much to be proud of! Themselves, their own hard work, their own poor families. So much to be proud of!
coda creator
coda creator Yıl önce
If there isn’t a place of standing for you in which you can support yourself and your family based upon your innate abilities, it’s not your fault. It’s the fault of society and society’s responsibility to correct - not by casting you off, but by making a place. This “expense” to the greater Capitalist society is seen, however, as a loss rather than a benefit.
Ruth Bradbury
Ruth Bradbury 10 aylar önce
Wow that distinction of the 'innocent poor' and 'idle poor' still rings so true today in Australia, Centrelink benefits were only increased when a lot of people lost their jobs due to Covid. Suddenly a whole class of 'innocent poor' were struggling to survive on government benefits and it became problematic that the money was not enough, so the Centrelink unemployment benefit was raised to accommodate those 'innocent poor'. No thought to the 'idle poor' who have been struggling to make ends meet on government benefits that leave them far below the living wage for years
Red_VelvetCake
Red_VelvetCake 10 aylar önce
Happened here in the UK too. As soon as lockdown started, benefits were raised by £20 a week because people who'd never had to accept benefits before were realising it wasn't enough to live on... 2 years later and inflation has gone up, but that £20 has now been taken off again, so people are are having to choose between heating and eating.
Chantel Wensley
Chantel Wensley 10 aylar önce
Yeah it's absolutely insane. Makes no sense....same thing in Canada.
HerStory Journey To Freedom
HerStory Journey To Freedom 10 aylar önce
Families should never be ripped apart like this, and yet today we still see the system in effect. When it made fathers 'support' their offspring regardless of marital status, the fathers suddenly had incentive to fight for custody. In an adversarial system it doesn't equate to improved equity of power or inflence in justice for the mother and her children. Very interesting story of resilience and fortitude. Great historical documentation.
momof2
momof2 Yıl önce
From what I know, form watching these programs, it was even harder for widowed mothers. Such sad circumstances.
Avril Roberts
Avril Roberts 10 aylar önce
Sad to say attitudes have not changed much towards the unemployed. I was made redundant some years ago and had to sign on as unemployed, I was made to feel like a criminal and that the reason why I had lost my job was my fault. It wasn't, I got a job a few months later thankfully and I still work there. However the governments attitude that you are better off in work is a joke. Rents are through the roof over 800 for a 2 bed house thats nearly all my salary for a month,,,,, the Victorian values have not changed we are returning to them once more.
nobodys baby
nobodys baby 9 aylar önce
Ummm yeah, along with that lovely Christian thought that if you're nice to the poor it'll encourage them to be unemployed. Rather like adding insult to injury.
Storm Bishoukun
Storm Bishoukun Yıl önce
Watch this, and then remember that there are still people severely impoverished and seen as scum and criminals for the crime of poverty today. There is such a severe stigma to it even now, and getting help is so significantly limited that there's no in-between barely making enough to keep all of the bills paid and being homeless on the streets. Moreso for those of us who are disabled; not only can we not work, we must prove that not only can we not work, but that no employer anywhere ever would hire us, on a routine basis even after being declared disabled. The fight to get that far has taken me about five years and is ongoing, having had one hearing judge use the decision of a woman who had used personal bias and superficial judgement against the basics of psychology to prevent me from receiving aid. There is no temporary sufficient aid while I and others make this fight. The temporary aid is, at most, less than half what we would receive from disability. So watch this, know that there is a history of systemic punishment of the poor, and then go do something to help those of us who are suffering the legacy of the workhouse and all its terrible fallacies.
Ozark Ldy
Ozark Ldy 10 aylar önce
When I think of the number of times, A Woman Of Substance,...the secret to life is to endure - Emma Hart, has helped me to carry on through trauma & tragedy and rereadings by the dozens... I find myself humbled by Barbara Taylor Bradford's personal heritage. No wonder she reaches to the heart & soul of a thing and gets it so right on the pages. Thank you to the universe for you, Madame. 💫💞🙏
Ela Borat
Ela Borat Yıl önce
Those are heartbreaking stories. Truly. And Albert? Great strong man as were all survivors of the workhorse
Jim Quinn
Jim Quinn 9 aylar önce
This was something that I've always been interested in. My heart goes out to the many thousand hands of people who have been affected by the work houses. I just can't understand the correlation between crime and poverty. I don't understand how they could've arrived at that conclusion. That's the only thing that boggles the mind.
SAMANTHA trewhella
SAMANTHA trewhella 11 aylar önce
My Grandmother was born in 1899 and died aged 94. In her last few years she repeated asked us to promise that we wouldn't let her be put in the workhouse. We promised and assured her we would look after her at home. We did. She was scared of the workhouse.
Luna Lea
Luna Lea 9 aylar önce
Thanks and bless u!😊
Chantel Wensley
Chantel Wensley 10 aylar önce
Oh this is so sad. 😭
nana j.
nana j. Yıl önce
Didn't those childcare oranizations get a fee for each child they sent overseas to the colonies from the adoptive parents? And weren t those children often used as unpaid maids, workers, farmhands at very young ages? And didn't these children often were made to pay back the initial fees for them, by having to work for their adoptive parents even after they had grown up?
Chantel Wensley
Chantel Wensley 10 aylar önce
So sickening
Oxnyx of The Winter Stars
Oxnyx of The Winter Stars Yıl önce
I know some of my relatives were sent from Greenwich workhouse to Canada - they didn't even keep a 5 &7 yr children together. What I am surprised is that they can trace thru the workhouse - we had been told that the books were closed.
Moon Child
Moon Child Yıl önce
I am crying through this whole program omg poor children poor women and poor Patrick trying his hardest to get a job to take care of his son... So darn sad
D D
D D 10 aylar önce
Mary was a good mom, she wanted her son back. Can’t imagine the pain she endured and her many other children from being separated. It’s sad to have that photo of such a handsome great grandfather & then to see how he treated his wife after she had given him so many children. Apparently forgiveness wasn’t a big part of their Christian faith. Sad.
Dolphins and extraterrestrials
Dolphins and extraterrestrials 10 aylar önce
It was good to see Felicity Kendalls relative, Albert, doing so well after that harsh life , coming from nothing .
Roberta Sirgutz
Roberta Sirgutz 9 aylar önce
The cruelty is unimaginable. As a just and modern society, we must have a social safety net.
Sookie
Sookie 4 aylar önce
You don't realize how completely important family is until you start losing them. This was a touching episode
Rejeana Roland
Rejeana Roland 8 aylar önce
All of this is just so heartbreaking. I can’t imagine having to live in those times and be treated like this. I can’t help but to have tears rolling down my cheeks while watching this. How do we know that these women got pregnant not by an extra marital affair but from rape? And then they get shuffled off to a workhouse to “save face”. This is so infuriating.
Hummingbird 22
Hummingbird 22 Yıl önce
Albert had quite the life ! It would make a wonderfully inspiring movie or novel.
Taylor Diamond
Taylor Diamond 10 aylar önce
"To keep it from being an easy option it was designed to be a place people dreaded." ...Why not just let there be an easy option? People should be able to feed their families without being tortured for it.
Taylor Diamond
Taylor Diamond 4 aylar önce
@Mariah Mangram It still just seems so barbaric from my modern lens. The quote still makes me feel bad to think about the blatant cruelty behind it.
Mariah Mangram
Mariah Mangram 4 aylar önce
I think the idea was to empower to work and not relent on others. There are alot of able-bodied adults who refuse to work now. They complain because the government won't give them more benefits. It wouldn't hurt those to have experience a more humane workhouse.
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